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I'm a hobbyist dog trainer with my dogs and it's amazing how effective positive reinforcement is. These cows were trained to pee in a location with treat traini

by carom 5y ago

I'm a hobbyist dog trainer with my dogs and it's amazing how effective positive reinforcement is. These cows were trained to pee in a location with treat training, same goes for dogs. It's about telling them what you want them to do, reinforcing the behaviors you like and redirecting the ones you dislike. I'm not surprised at all that the cows are capable of this. The masterclass of clicker training seems to be chickens. [1] From what I've heard of it, they don't understand positive punishment, so you only have positive reinforcement, and they're kinda dense. Still, with treat training they can learn to do some impressive tricks. 1. https://www.clickertraining.com/node/1906 https://www.clickertraining.com/node/1906

hinkley 5y ago
I met someone who was a falconer, I suspect that's a general bird trait. Punishing them doesn't compute. They just think you're a jerk. Apparently with falcons and hawks in particular you can cause them to regress with certain missteps, and have to train them again. He had said something about going out of town and having to start over with some behavioral training they'd worked out before he left.
wespiser_2018 5y ago
What? Chickens understand Positive Punishment, same with Negative Reinforcement. If it has a brain and acts in the real world, learning theory applies, and these are the fundamental by which we learn from our interaction with the world. Not understanding that avoid something that hurts you is effectively death. The reason not to use averse training methods isn't effectiveness in training, punishment can teach a lot and chickens need to stay alive, it's the possible of generalization of negative experiences causes can cause unintended behavioral issues, and shaping would be a much different exercise. I hear this argument a lot of "positive only" trainers, that negative methods are somehow not effective, and it just cannot possibly be true!
- atatatat 5y ago
  Chickens don't even understand when they're decapitated.
  - 0des 5y ago
    VMWare doesn't make chickens.
csomar 5y ago
> These cows were trained to pee in a location with treat training, same goes for dogs. I think dogs have an innate need to have their toilet not where they eat. Most dogs we got in the farm where not potty trained, but they always shit/pee in the same place which is a bit far and cornered from where they hang out/eat.

by carom 5y ago

hinkley 5y ago

I met someone who was a falconer, I suspect that's a general bird trait. Punishing them doesn't compute. They just think you're a jerk. Apparently with falcons and hawks in particular you can cause them to regress with certain missteps, and have to train them again. He had said something about going out of town and having to start over with some behavioral training they'd worked out before he left.

wespiser_2018 5y ago

What? Chickens understand Positive Punishment, same with Negative Reinforcement. If it has a brain and acts in the real world, learning theory applies, and these are the fundamental by which we learn from our interaction with the world. Not understanding that avoid something that hurts you is effectively death. The reason not to use averse training methods isn't effectiveness in training, punishment can teach a lot and chickens need to stay alive, it's the possible of generalization of negative experiences causes can cause unintended behavioral issues, and shaping would be a much different exercise. I hear this argument a lot of "positive only" trainers, that negative methods are somehow not effective, and it just cannot possibly be true!

atatatat 5y ago
Chickens don't even understand when they're decapitated.
- 0des 5y ago
  VMWare doesn't make chickens.

csomar 5y ago

> These cows were trained to pee in a location with treat training, same goes for dogs. I think dogs have an innate need to have their toilet not where they eat. Most dogs we got in the farm where not potty trained, but they always shit/pee in the same place which is a bit far and cornered from where they hang out/eat.