3 ms·

,,I've tried to get this message across in private. They just don't care.'' ,,they've also taken steps to marginalize the core team. and some other dirty shit

,,I've tried to get this message across in private. They just don't care.'' ,,they've also taken steps to marginalize the core team. and some other dirty shit I won't say rn.'' Maybe Steve (and other Rust team members) should adopt openness and stop making deals in private. That's not how open communities are built.

steveklabnik 5y ago
"making deals" is the wrong characterization. "Bring my concerns to the people I have concerns with in private before having to talk about it in public" is just the right way to talk to people about problems.
- xiphias2 5y ago
  Sure, I understand that, but the tweetstorm is very non-specific. The only reason why I share your concern is because you built an amazing personal brand.
  - steveklabnik 5y ago
    I tried to be very specific in my issue with what is public knowledge: Amazon has outsized influence in the project, and is continuing to wield it to gain more. I even cited specific ways in which that is happening. I was also vague about other things because they're secondary concerns to the main one. If Amazon stops trying to be in total control of Rust, I'll be happy.
- freditup 5y ago
  > "Bring my concerns to the people I have concerns with in private before having to talk about it in public" is just the right way to talk to people about problems. Yes, it typically is. However making non-falsifiable public accusations that individuals are doing "dirty shit" is not keeping things "private" and is even worse than making a concrete public statement about a concern you may have.
  - kreetx 5y ago
    Perhaps it isn't and it's actually good not to go very confrontational right from the start?
    - hu3 5y ago
      Given the tweets, I think we are past the point of no confrontation.
      - kreetx 5y ago
        (I was aiming at "not telling everything" is a friendlier tone than telling everything and possibly losing all trust)
        hu3 5y ago
        I get that but tweeting "they've also taken steps to marginalize the core team. and some other dirty shit I won't say rn." is the kind of statement that burns bridges pretty hard.
- tick_tock_tick 5y ago
  You're talking in public now and bring the discussion into the public in the least professional way possible.

steveklabnik 5y ago

"making deals" is the wrong characterization. "Bring my concerns to the people I have concerns with in private before having to talk about it in public" is just the right way to talk to people about problems.

xiphias2 5y ago
Sure, I understand that, but the tweetstorm is very non-specific. The only reason why I share your concern is because you built an amazing personal brand.
- steveklabnik 5y ago
  I tried to be very specific in my issue with what is public knowledge: Amazon has outsized influence in the project, and is continuing to wield it to gain more. I even cited specific ways in which that is happening. I was also vague about other things because they're secondary concerns to the main one. If Amazon stops trying to be in total control of Rust, I'll be happy.
freditup 5y ago
> "Bring my concerns to the people I have concerns with in private before having to talk about it in public" is just the right way to talk to people about problems. Yes, it typically is. However making non-falsifiable public accusations that individuals are doing "dirty shit" is not keeping things "private" and is even worse than making a concrete public statement about a concern you may have.
- kreetx 5y ago
  Perhaps it isn't and it's actually good not to go very confrontational right from the start?
  - hu3 5y ago
    Given the tweets, I think we are past the point of no confrontation.
    - kreetx 5y ago
      (I was aiming at "not telling everything" is a friendlier tone than telling everything and possibly losing all trust)
      - hu3 5y ago
        I get that but tweeting "they've also taken steps to marginalize the core team. and some other dirty shit I won't say rn." is the kind of statement that burns bridges pretty hard.
tick_tock_tick 5y ago
You're talking in public now and bring the discussion into the public in the least professional way possible.