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The Rust Foundation has indeed been disappointingly opaque. Their website contains only anodyne director bios and board meeting minutes. The minutes go up to M

The Rust Foundation has indeed been disappointingly opaque. Their website contains only anodyne director bios and board meeting minutes. The minutes go up to May's meeting, with most of the content omitted under a "Private Session" heading. AIUI the main need for a foundation was so they could own the Rust domain names and trademarks. Eight months later, I've seen no announcement on whether any progress has been made with this.

sk2020 5y ago
I don’t actually see how Amazon stewardship is a bad thing. Corporate custody has been the case for several useful programming languages, with Java, .NET, and Go being obvious and popular examples. Replacing a core team of advocacy-oriented developers with production-oriented developers might give the project a positive new direction too. After all, a popular, design-by-committee compiled language with RAII memory management that targets LLVM already exists. If contributors can’t tolerate corporate sponsorship, then there is an abundance of languages with little to no commercial interest, especially those of academic origins.
- stuaxo 5y ago
  Just based on the technology side: When using their systems a big thing, seems to be repackage and rebuild existing systems and create a load of new jargon. The systems seem to be islands, the effect is that at every place they are separated, billing can be introduced. Everywhere, where new names and jargon are introduced lock-in is introduced. I cannot see it being good for the medium or long term health.
  - sk2020 5y ago
    So the worst case is Amazon makes the compiler or some tool or integration a paid service? Is paying for a well-maintained compiler a problem? Ada, Java, FORTRAN, and (I think) Julia all do this, right?
    - eigenspace 5y ago
      The only existing implementation of Julia in case that I know of is fully open source and MIT licensed. It is well maintained and high performance :)
      - pjmlp 5y ago
        There are the products and tools only available via Julia Computing.
- stjohnswarts 5y ago
  It's working out great for Qt and Java...
kzrdude 5y ago
Do we expect too much? Just like with Mozilla? We want them to be a force for good, but they also need to be effective. Though this is less true for Rust than for Mozilla, Rust the language shouldn't really need a revenue
- hvis 5y ago
  And Mozilla has earned a lot of credit (apriori trust) over the years. Which the newly formed foundation has not.
  - abzug 5y ago
    And lost me as a user years ago because the way it was being (mis)managed.

sk2020 5y ago

I don’t actually see how Amazon stewardship is a bad thing. Corporate custody has been the case for several useful programming languages, with Java, .NET, and Go being obvious and popular examples. Replacing a core team of advocacy-oriented developers with production-oriented developers might give the project a positive new direction too. After all, a popular, design-by-committee compiled language with RAII memory management that targets LLVM already exists. If contributors can’t tolerate corporate sponsorship, then there is an abundance of languages with little to no commercial interest, especially those of academic origins.

stuaxo 5y ago
Just based on the technology side: When using their systems a big thing, seems to be repackage and rebuild existing systems and create a load of new jargon. The systems seem to be islands, the effect is that at every place they are separated, billing can be introduced. Everywhere, where new names and jargon are introduced lock-in is introduced. I cannot see it being good for the medium or long term health.
- sk2020 5y ago
  So the worst case is Amazon makes the compiler or some tool or integration a paid service? Is paying for a well-maintained compiler a problem? Ada, Java, FORTRAN, and (I think) Julia all do this, right?
  - eigenspace 5y ago
    The only existing implementation of Julia in case that I know of is fully open source and MIT licensed. It is well maintained and high performance :)
    - pjmlp 5y ago
      There are the products and tools only available via Julia Computing.
stjohnswarts 5y ago
It's working out great for Qt and Java...

kzrdude 5y ago

Do we expect too much? Just like with Mozilla? We want them to be a force for good, but they also need to be effective. Though this is less true for Rust than for Mozilla, Rust the language shouldn't really need a revenue

hvis 5y ago
And Mozilla has earned a lot of credit (apriori trust) over the years. Which the newly formed foundation has not.
- abzug 5y ago
  And lost me as a user years ago because the way it was being (mis)managed.