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Regarding Rust, Amazon has done way more good than harm. They helped in solidifying Rust as a professional language with good wages. Developers come and go, it

Regarding Rust, Amazon has done way more good than harm. They helped in solidifying Rust as a professional language with good wages. Developers come and go, it is unreasonable to strike the big company if the future of the language is dependent on the fact that a couple of "core" devs work at it and someone is writing articles about this and that that involves Rust. Other languages have been through worse and survived, why not Rust?

addicted 5y ago
Rust developers were doing very well, even before Amazon came to it. And there is no reason to believe that the growth would not have continued without Amazon's participation. There's the simple fact that many major non Amazon companies are also supporting Rust, so I don't see how this is uniquely Amazon's contributions. This argument appears akin to the original article's "Rustacean principles are based on Amazon tenets" BS.
99_00 5y ago
I don't see where you and the tweet disagree. Is this your position? "Amazon must or should define Rust".
- ctvo 5y ago
  No one disagrees with that, I'd think? But where is the evidence that it's occurring as hinted in the thread? "I refuse to let you physically abuse your wife, Jim" implies something.
  - 99_00 5y ago
    I think that having a few prickly characters who have an extreme mistrust of large corporations is health and useful for a community that wants to keep its autonomy. "Oh, representative of mega-corp, we can't do that . I agree it's a great idea and I would love to do it, but the zealots would revolt."
leshow 5y ago
IMO Rust should have a future independent of Amazon. Ideally, we want everyone to be able to write Rust and not have it co-opted specifically for Amazon's purposes (I have no information that this is actually happening-- just reading the tweet like everyone else). I wouldn't want a company like Google to think that Amazon has too much control over the direction of the language and choose not to use it, for example.
_jal 5y ago
> They helped in solidifying Rust as a professional language Maybe, but that's only because Rust was valuable enough to them to do so. It also doesn't give them a pass on a takeover, if that is what's going on. (No skin in this game. I just can't stand corporate gaslighting about how open source developers need to suck up abuse and like it because reasons.)

addicted 5y ago

Rust developers were doing very well, even before Amazon came to it. And there is no reason to believe that the growth would not have continued without Amazon's participation. There's the simple fact that many major non Amazon companies are also supporting Rust, so I don't see how this is uniquely Amazon's contributions. This argument appears akin to the original article's "Rustacean principles are based on Amazon tenets" BS.

99_00 5y ago

I don't see where you and the tweet disagree. Is this your position? "Amazon must or should define Rust".

ctvo 5y ago
No one disagrees with that, I'd think? But where is the evidence that it's occurring as hinted in the thread? "I refuse to let you physically abuse your wife, Jim" implies something.
- 99_00 5y ago
  I think that having a few prickly characters who have an extreme mistrust of large corporations is health and useful for a community that wants to keep its autonomy. "Oh, representative of mega-corp, we can't do that . I agree it's a great idea and I would love to do it, but the zealots would revolt."

leshow 5y ago

IMO Rust should have a future independent of Amazon. Ideally, we want everyone to be able to write Rust and not have it co-opted specifically for Amazon's purposes (I have no information that this is actually happening-- just reading the tweet like everyone else). I wouldn't want a company like Google to think that Amazon has too much control over the direction of the language and choose not to use it, for example.

_jal 5y ago

> They helped in solidifying Rust as a professional language Maybe, but that's only because Rust was valuable enough to them to do so. It also doesn't give them a pass on a takeover, if that is what's going on. (No skin in this game. I just can't stand corporate gaslighting about how open source developers need to suck up abuse and like it because reasons.)