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> It's not very diverse, is it? The responsibility of an immigration program to its citizens isn't necessarily to maximize diversity. It's to maximize the bene

> It's not very diverse, is it? The responsibility of an immigration program to its citizens isn't necessarily to maximize diversity. It's to maximize the benefit to the country. A points-based immigration program would allow the country to optimize along any number of axes: under-represented minorities, skills, etc. > The problem is that the number of green cards is relatively fixed, so there has to be some way to distribute them that prevents two nations from taking almost all the spots. Is it? Canada brings in 3x as many immigrants per capita as the US does. It's brought in 1% of its population each year for roughly the last 100 years - so the equivalent of 3-4M green cards per year. I think there's probably a lot of wiggle room.

908B64B197 5y ago
> A points-based immigration program would allow the country to optimize along any number of axes: under-represented minorities, skills, etc. That's what the cap is for. > Canada brings in 3x as many immigrants per capita as the US does. It's brought in 1% of its population each year for roughly the last 100 years - so the equivalent of 3-4M green cards per year. Almost every week there's a thread with Canadian Engineers whining about low pay. How are these out of control immigration quotas helping them out?
- arcticbull 5y ago
  > That's what the cap is for. Yes, but it selects for the wrong things. It's an axe when you need a scalpel. > Almost every week there's a thread with Canadian Engineers whining about low pay. How are these out of control immigration quotas helping them out? What on earth do you mean "out of control" lol. That's a value judgement you made that you're projecting. Canada has low inequality. Most people are paid roughly the same amount - in line with much of Western Europe. The US is closer to PNG, the Philippines, Turkey and Madagascar. You can't have low inequality and high pay for one group. [1] Canadians value that. You don't, and that's ok too. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_equality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_eq...
  - 908B64B197 5y ago
    > You can't have low inequality and high pay for one group. You also can't have overachievers. This becomes obvious when looking at academia. [0] These individuals are the ones bootstrapping entire businesses and economic sectors. [0] https://spectrum.ieee.org/the-global-brain-trade https://spectrum.ieee.org/the-global-brain-trade
    - arcticbull 5y ago
      Of course you can have overachievers, I suspect this is a very American perspective. Japan Airlines' CEO makes $90K a year. Money isn't the be all and end all, promotions come with more pay and more social status. [edit] did you not have overachievers in high school and college? I suspect they weren't getting paid! Quite the opposite.
  - refurb 5y ago
    As a Canadian that’s hilarious. “Were going to pay you much less than other countries do and we’re actually doing you a favor”.
    - arcticbull 5y ago
      Nobody said anything about doing anyone any favors. I said that the wealth inequality was lower, and inequality being lower by definition requires that pay bands are compressed. Keep in mind that when you compare against international salaries, you have to convert not just to a neutral currency, but also adjust for PPP. Canada's PPP adjustment factor is close to +15%. That is to say, 1 USD goes 15% further in Canada than it does in America. There are pros and cons to a more egalitarian society. Certain groups that would do better in other countries do worse, and in exchange certain groups that would do worse in other countries do better. Per Levels.fyi a: - Shopify L7 makes $324K USD ($372K PPP). - That's a Google L5 at $356K. - A Facebook E5 at $390K. - Or a Microsoft level 65 at $287K. Remote changes the game a bit here, but in the past your Shopify L7 would have gone infinitely further in Ottawa than your Facebook E5 would have gone down in MPK. Local PPP matters too.

908B64B197 5y ago

> A points-based immigration program would allow the country to optimize along any number of axes: under-represented minorities, skills, etc. That's what the cap is for. > Canada brings in 3x as many immigrants per capita as the US does. It's brought in 1% of its population each year for roughly the last 100 years - so the equivalent of 3-4M green cards per year. Almost every week there's a thread with Canadian Engineers whining about low pay. How are these out of control immigration quotas helping them out?

arcticbull 5y ago
> That's what the cap is for. Yes, but it selects for the wrong things. It's an axe when you need a scalpel. > Almost every week there's a thread with Canadian Engineers whining about low pay. How are these out of control immigration quotas helping them out? What on earth do you mean "out of control" lol. That's a value judgement you made that you're projecting. Canada has low inequality. Most people are paid roughly the same amount - in line with much of Western Europe. The US is closer to PNG, the Philippines, Turkey and Madagascar. You can't have low inequality and high pay for one group. [1] Canadians value that. You don't, and that's ok too. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_equality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_eq...
- 908B64B197 5y ago
  > You can't have low inequality and high pay for one group. You also can't have overachievers. This becomes obvious when looking at academia. [0] These individuals are the ones bootstrapping entire businesses and economic sectors. [0] https://spectrum.ieee.org/the-global-brain-trade https://spectrum.ieee.org/the-global-brain-trade
  - arcticbull 5y ago
    Of course you can have overachievers, I suspect this is a very American perspective. Japan Airlines' CEO makes $90K a year. Money isn't the be all and end all, promotions come with more pay and more social status. [edit] did you not have overachievers in high school and college? I suspect they weren't getting paid! Quite the opposite.
- refurb 5y ago
  As a Canadian that’s hilarious. “Were going to pay you much less than other countries do and we’re actually doing you a favor”.
  - arcticbull 5y ago
    Nobody said anything about doing anyone any favors. I said that the wealth inequality was lower, and inequality being lower by definition requires that pay bands are compressed. Keep in mind that when you compare against international salaries, you have to convert not just to a neutral currency, but also adjust for PPP. Canada's PPP adjustment factor is close to +15%. That is to say, 1 USD goes 15% further in Canada than it does in America. There are pros and cons to a more egalitarian society. Certain groups that would do better in other countries do worse, and in exchange certain groups that would do worse in other countries do better. Per Levels.fyi a: - Shopify L7 makes $324K USD ($372K PPP). - That's a Google L5 at $356K. - A Facebook E5 at $390K. - Or a Microsoft level 65 at $287K. Remote changes the game a bit here, but in the past your Shopify L7 would have gone infinitely further in Ottawa than your Facebook E5 would have gone down in MPK. Local PPP matters too.