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People should not have to be heroes as a precondition of citizenship. France did this before with the Malian migrant who performed a super-human feat of scalin

People should not have to be heroes as a precondition of citizenship. France did this before with the Malian migrant who performed a super-human feat of scaling the facade of a Paris apartment block to save a boy.

lowkey_ 5y ago
Risking his life to save a young child was a selfless and commendable act, and his actions really helped add color to the national perspective of illegal immigrants in France, who have often been discriminated against and viewed as selfish. He supposedly began working as a firefighter afterwards, which France set up for him, and has since become a citizen. What's the issue with that?
- em3rgent0rdr 5y ago
  The issue is that *People should not have to be heroes as a precondition of citizenship*. There are hundreds of thousands of other illegal immigrants who are not super-human heroes but who still as a basic civil right deserve citizenship which France denies.
  - lowkey_ 5y ago
    Why should everybody who can illegally enter another country automatically become a citizen of that country?
    - cyberlurker 5y ago
      Pen testing border security. The bug bounty is citizenship.
  - Bayart 5y ago
    Citizenship isn't a basic civil right. People who follow the law can get long term visas. And those who want to stay can go through the process of becoming citizens. Plenty do, without any heroism involved. You don't get to show up and become a citizen just for the sake of existing.
    - RIMR 5y ago
      I don't see why not. If we want a strong country, we need more people living here. If people want to move here and start a life, we should enable that by any means necessary. I understand that the current system doesn't work this way, but I also think that the current system is broken and unsustainable.
      - Zababa 5y ago
        Most people would rather have stability of culture and the population not changing much compared to having "a strong country", especially with France where the standard of living is already high.
rfrey 5y ago
It's not a precondition, the overwhelming majority of citizenships (e.g. all of them minus 12,001) are granted through regular channels. Rewarding exceptional or deserving people does not mean that those not rewarded have been treated unjustly. That is a perversion of egalitarianism.
- em3rgent0rdr 5y ago
  Rewarding exceptional or deserving people should not mean that those not rewarded have been treated unjustly. Yet there are hundreds of thousands of other illegal immigrants beyond these 12,001 who maybe are not exceptional heroes but who still as a basic civil right deserve a citizenship which France denies.
  - Majestic121 5y ago
    A citizenship in a foreign country is not a basic civil right

lowkey_ 5y ago

Risking his life to save a young child was a selfless and commendable act, and his actions really helped add color to the national perspective of illegal immigrants in France, who have often been discriminated against and viewed as selfish. He supposedly began working as a firefighter afterwards, which France set up for him, and has since become a citizen. What's the issue with that?

em3rgent0rdr 5y ago
The issue is that *People should not have to be heroes as a precondition of citizenship*. There are hundreds of thousands of other illegal immigrants who are not super-human heroes but who still as a basic civil right deserve citizenship which France denies.
- lowkey_ 5y ago
  Why should everybody who can illegally enter another country automatically become a citizen of that country?
  - cyberlurker 5y ago
    Pen testing border security. The bug bounty is citizenship.
- Bayart 5y ago
  Citizenship isn't a basic civil right. People who follow the law can get long term visas. And those who want to stay can go through the process of becoming citizens. Plenty do, without any heroism involved. You don't get to show up and become a citizen just for the sake of existing.
  - RIMR 5y ago
    I don't see why not. If we want a strong country, we need more people living here. If people want to move here and start a life, we should enable that by any means necessary. I understand that the current system doesn't work this way, but I also think that the current system is broken and unsustainable.
    - Zababa 5y ago
      Most people would rather have stability of culture and the population not changing much compared to having "a strong country", especially with France where the standard of living is already high.

rfrey 5y ago

It's not a precondition, the overwhelming majority of citizenships (e.g. all of them minus 12,001) are granted through regular channels. Rewarding exceptional or deserving people does not mean that those not rewarded have been treated unjustly. That is a perversion of egalitarianism.

em3rgent0rdr 5y ago
Rewarding exceptional or deserving people should not mean that those not rewarded have been treated unjustly. Yet there are hundreds of thousands of other illegal immigrants beyond these 12,001 who maybe are not exceptional heroes but who still as a basic civil right deserve a citizenship which France denies.
- Majestic121 5y ago
  A citizenship in a foreign country is not a basic civil right