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Because citizenship is supposed to be an important life changing decision with massive consequences at every level. The dilution of the meaning of citizenship

by djbebs 5y ago

Because citizenship is supposed to be an important life changing decision with massive consequences at every level. The dilution of the meaning of citizenship is a massive tragedy.

carlob 5y ago
No the life changing decision is to move to a new country to become a garbage collector. If you consider that the person collecting your garbage during a pandemic getting the same rights as you have by being born in the right side of the globe is a dilution of the meaning of citizenship I really don't know how to explain this to you any better.
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sophacles 5y ago
What purpose does citizenship actually have? Why does it need to be such a huge deal, and why is it's difficulty to attain (unless you accidentally got born there) such an important aspect of it?
- blululu 5y ago
  Accidentally got born somewhere is a very US centric perspective. Most countries do not follow Jus Soli births so this is not enough for citizenship. Citizenship is a matter belonging to a nation, past, present and future. Traditionally families have been the principle unit of human organization and citizenship acts as a generalization of the family unit to the nation as a whole. The answer to your question is pretty simple if you replace citizenship with family relations. This is perhaps changing as neoliberal ideology emphasizes individuals over families or collectives, but this is a separate matter.
  - sophacles 5y ago
    You have sort of explained "what is citizenship", complained about some random ideology, and completely failed to answer either of my questions. My country is NOT my family. My "nation" (whatever that is... a replacement for a tribe or something?) is NOT my family, nor even my extended clan. Why do I need to have "family" at a scale of millions of people, almost all of whom I will never encounter? A reminder of the still unanswered questions: Why does citizenship matter? What does any of that have to do with the difficulty of changing citizenship?
- bserge 5y ago
  Lets you live in a place without worrying of being forced to go back home. Basically, you become a lazy local lol
- Zababa 5y ago
  Citizenship is here to slow down the rate of change of the country/culture/population, which is something many country want (and by country I mean either the people voting, or the people in power).
anigbrowl 5y ago
Cool, make everyone apply for it them so that people don't get inflated ideas of their own worth just from having the good luck to be born within a jurisdiction.

by djbebs 5y ago

Because citizenship is supposed to be an important life changing decision with massive consequences at every level. The dilution of the meaning of citizenship is a massive tragedy.

carlob 5y ago

No the life changing decision is to move to a new country to become a garbage collector. If you consider that the person collecting your garbage during a pandemic getting the same rights as you have by being born in the right side of the globe is a dilution of the meaning of citizenship I really don't know how to explain this to you any better.

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sophacles 5y ago

What purpose does citizenship actually have? Why does it need to be such a huge deal, and why is it's difficulty to attain (unless you accidentally got born there) such an important aspect of it?

blululu 5y ago
Accidentally got born somewhere is a very US centric perspective. Most countries do not follow Jus Soli births so this is not enough for citizenship. Citizenship is a matter belonging to a nation, past, present and future. Traditionally families have been the principle unit of human organization and citizenship acts as a generalization of the family unit to the nation as a whole. The answer to your question is pretty simple if you replace citizenship with family relations. This is perhaps changing as neoliberal ideology emphasizes individuals over families or collectives, but this is a separate matter.
- sophacles 5y ago
  You have sort of explained "what is citizenship", complained about some random ideology, and completely failed to answer either of my questions. My country is NOT my family. My "nation" (whatever that is... a replacement for a tribe or something?) is NOT my family, nor even my extended clan. Why do I need to have "family" at a scale of millions of people, almost all of whom I will never encounter? A reminder of the still unanswered questions: Why does citizenship matter? What does any of that have to do with the difficulty of changing citizenship?
bserge 5y ago
Lets you live in a place without worrying of being forced to go back home. Basically, you become a lazy local lol
Zababa 5y ago
Citizenship is here to slow down the rate of change of the country/culture/population, which is something many country want (and by country I mean either the people voting, or the people in power).

anigbrowl 5y ago

Cool, make everyone apply for it them so that people don't get inflated ideas of their own worth just from having the good luck to be born within a jurisdiction.