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You mean via nuclear transumation? That's not chemical nor particularly practical in a pre-fusion powered economy The problem with your third assertion is even

You mean via nuclear transumation? That's not chemical nor particularly practical in a pre-fusion powered economy The problem with your third assertion is even if we accept that there is no way to prove the consciousness of others, you need to categorical deny your own and thus borders on absurdity and outright denial.

Isinlor 5y ago
Indeed, it's not chemical, but it is possible nevertheless. Practicality is besides the point. Well, my world view is that everything is conscious, including oxygen I just inhaled and that went to my brain, sugars I ate, bacteria in my gut, my blood, my dead blood cells, as well as my skin, sweat vapor, nails, hairs, teeth, cloths, electrostatic charge on my cloths etc. Dark matter, if it exists, may be the least conscious thing we know about. I would call that consciousness a state of existing and interacting. It is a fundamental property, and can be explained only as much as color charge of a quark. For some people that's not consciousness. So, if what I described above is not consciousness, then whatever it is that you mean by consciousness, IMO does not exists. There is also self-recognition, the red dot in the mirror etc. which is just a behavioral pattern, side effect of intelligence.
- vimacs2 5y ago
  While I don't necessarily buy the panpsychism you're outlining, I appreciate the fact that you actually make the distinction between experience of qualia (the hard problem) and self-awareness, which we arguably already are capable of both modelling and implementing successfully. I always found it dubious that people privilege self awareness so greatly in discussions of consciousness considering the fact that many beings that most recognise as at least sentient such as dogs and other higher mammals often lack it, and arguably many humans too (and I'm not just talking about those before the age of 4 either).

Isinlor 5y ago

Indeed, it's not chemical, but it is possible nevertheless. Practicality is besides the point. Well, my world view is that everything is conscious, including oxygen I just inhaled and that went to my brain, sugars I ate, bacteria in my gut, my blood, my dead blood cells, as well as my skin, sweat vapor, nails, hairs, teeth, cloths, electrostatic charge on my cloths etc. Dark matter, if it exists, may be the least conscious thing we know about. I would call that consciousness a state of existing and interacting. It is a fundamental property, and can be explained only as much as color charge of a quark. For some people that's not consciousness. So, if what I described above is not consciousness, then whatever it is that you mean by consciousness, IMO does not exists. There is also self-recognition, the red dot in the mirror etc. which is just a behavioral pattern, side effect of intelligence.

vimacs2 5y ago
While I don't necessarily buy the panpsychism you're outlining, I appreciate the fact that you actually make the distinction between experience of qualia (the hard problem) and self-awareness, which we arguably already are capable of both modelling and implementing successfully. I always found it dubious that people privilege self awareness so greatly in discussions of consciousness considering the fact that many beings that most recognise as at least sentient such as dogs and other higher mammals often lack it, and arguably many humans too (and I'm not just talking about those before the age of 4 either).