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I'm pretty sure Biden can do similar with an executive order. The feds do own the entire citizenship pipeline. Will we take care of the people who took care of

I'm pretty sure Biden can do similar with an executive order. The feds do own the entire citizenship pipeline. Will we take care of the people who took care of us?

datavirtue 5y ago
Pretty sure we have zero undocumented healthcare pros in the US. You have to prove citizenship to change bed pans for $10 an hour.
- afavour 5y ago
  There’s a big gap between “undocumented” and “citizen” though. I’m not familiar enough to know how many healthcare workers are here on a visa (student visa for medical school perhaps?) but in theory any that are could be granted citizenship or permanent residency.
- InitialLastName 5y ago
  There are people of concern other than undocumented workers. There are presumably lots of people in one point or another of the healthcare pipeline (H1B's, green card holders, other types of working non-citizens. In light of an imminent boom (if you will) in demand for healthcare (especially elder-care related) we should probably be doing everything we can to encourage them to stay.
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- ruined 5y ago
  a huge fraction of nurses and other hospital staff are immigrants on work visa, particularly Filipinos. they are not undocumented but many would like citizenship.
- wil421 5y ago
  Not true. My brother in laws wife is Costa Rican and was able to get a job doing similar work. She’s here legally and a permanent resident but not a citizen.
- chrisseaton 5y ago
  > You have to prove citizenship What makes you think such a strange thing? It obviously isn’t true. Have you never met a foreign healthcare worker?
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- rockinghigh 5y ago
  The workers who gained citizenship in France were not undocumented. They were on temporary work visas.
dmix 5y ago
I hope not, America takes enough Canadian health care workers. This is better for countries with socialized medicine. They don’t need any more incentives to go.
- mlinhares 5y ago
  This is, unfortunately, a win-lose game. If the US relaxed its requirements for nurses and doctors they could actually destroy the healthcare or many other countries. I've multiple friends that are experienced healthcare providers in Brazil that would love to move here but the rules are so draconic and complicated they have just given up. In a way I think it's good they have these requirements in place as that means people in Brazil won't be without doctors but its also pretty awful for me to say something like this given I DID move here to work, so I guess anyone else should have the same shot.
  - arcticbull 5y ago
    > If the US relaxed its requirements for nurses and doctors they could actually destroy the healthcare or many other countries. Some medical professionals find the US healthcare system to be unconscionable. Some would move, some wouldn't. My doctor parents were offered jobs in the US but they refused on moral grounds - forgoing a somewhat higher salary - preferring to stay in Canada. The best outcome would be for them to move to the US, push down salaries (salaries in the US are something like 56% of all of healthcare spending) and that normalization would then stem the flow of foreign professionals while seriously benefitting Americans.
    - cycrutchfield 5y ago
      Doctor salaries only comprise 8-9% of total healthcare spending in the US
      - arcticbull 5y ago
        hm you're right, I may have found a bad source.
0xcafecafe 5y ago
I doubt. Forget citizenship, the US is not processing permanent residency for its employment based applicants, many of which are MDs working in hospitals. The backlog spans more than a decade and if the applicant passes away, their family is subject to self deportation. The backlog is due to antiquated per country caps which result in prolonged waiting times for populous countries (I am personally waiting for the last 11 years). Forget citizenship, forget changing legislation to give them green cards faster, the agency (uscis) is poised to waste 100,000 of such green cards this year (which cannot be recaptured without legislation next year). These numbers would otherwise be useful for applications whose petitions were approved up to 2013. Truly dystopian. https://www.wsj.com/articles/some-100-000-green-cards-at-risk-of-going-to-waste-in-covid-19-backlog-11628080201 https://www.wsj.com/articles/some-100-000-green-cards-at-ris...
- wil421 5y ago
  Why shouldn’t we have per country caps? India and China could easily become the majority of immigrants due to the population size. Mexico is the top country of origin for lawful residents but they are our closest neighbor and many families have ties to both countries, especially in boarder towns. Followed by China and India.[1] [1] https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/08/20/key-findings-about-u-s-immigrants/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/08/20/key-finding...
  - spywaregorilla 5y ago
    And... why is that bad?
    - wil421 5y ago
      Personally I don’t think it’s bad and allows immigration to happen from more cultures and regions. GP was the one who had an issue with the per country caps.
  - 0xcafecafe 5y ago
    The US issues approximately 1 million green cards per year. 86% of those (860k) are for family based and 140k are for employment based. Country caps for family based GCs is not a bad thing and in fact it does address your point domination by populous countries. In absence of a secondary differentiation criteria, per country caps are a good thing for family based GCs. But for the 140k employment based GCs, it depends on the company hiring the individual based on a skillset/qualification and sponsoring them for permanent residency. Google doesn't differentiate between an engineer from Argentina and an engineer from India (arbitrary example). Why should one get a greencard within a year and the other have to wait 10+ years? John oliver did a piece on it last year https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXqnRMU1fTs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXqnRMU1fTs

I'm pretty sure Biden can do similar with an executive order. The feds do own the entire citizenship pipeline. Will we take care of the people who took care of us?

datavirtue 5y ago

Pretty sure we have zero undocumented healthcare pros in the US. You have to prove citizenship to change bed pans for $10 an hour.

afavour 5y ago
There’s a big gap between “undocumented” and “citizen” though. I’m not familiar enough to know how many healthcare workers are here on a visa (student visa for medical school perhaps?) but in theory any that are could be granted citizenship or permanent residency.
InitialLastName 5y ago
There are people of concern other than undocumented workers. There are presumably lots of people in one point or another of the healthcare pipeline (H1B's, green card holders, other types of working non-citizens. In light of an imminent boom (if you will) in demand for healthcare (especially elder-care related) we should probably be doing everything we can to encourage them to stay.
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ruined 5y ago
a huge fraction of nurses and other hospital staff are immigrants on work visa, particularly Filipinos. they are not undocumented but many would like citizenship.
wil421 5y ago
Not true. My brother in laws wife is Costa Rican and was able to get a job doing similar work. She’s here legally and a permanent resident but not a citizen.
chrisseaton 5y ago
> You have to prove citizenship What makes you think such a strange thing? It obviously isn’t true. Have you never met a foreign healthcare worker?
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rockinghigh 5y ago
The workers who gained citizenship in France were not undocumented. They were on temporary work visas.

dmix 5y ago

I hope not, America takes enough Canadian health care workers. This is better for countries with socialized medicine. They don’t need any more incentives to go.

mlinhares 5y ago
This is, unfortunately, a win-lose game. If the US relaxed its requirements for nurses and doctors they could actually destroy the healthcare or many other countries. I've multiple friends that are experienced healthcare providers in Brazil that would love to move here but the rules are so draconic and complicated they have just given up. In a way I think it's good they have these requirements in place as that means people in Brazil won't be without doctors but its also pretty awful for me to say something like this given I DID move here to work, so I guess anyone else should have the same shot.
- arcticbull 5y ago
  > If the US relaxed its requirements for nurses and doctors they could actually destroy the healthcare or many other countries. Some medical professionals find the US healthcare system to be unconscionable. Some would move, some wouldn't. My doctor parents were offered jobs in the US but they refused on moral grounds - forgoing a somewhat higher salary - preferring to stay in Canada. The best outcome would be for them to move to the US, push down salaries (salaries in the US are something like 56% of all of healthcare spending) and that normalization would then stem the flow of foreign professionals while seriously benefitting Americans.
  - cycrutchfield 5y ago
    Doctor salaries only comprise 8-9% of total healthcare spending in the US
    - arcticbull 5y ago
      hm you're right, I may have found a bad source.

0xcafecafe 5y ago

I doubt. Forget citizenship, the US is not processing permanent residency for its employment based applicants, many of which are MDs working in hospitals. The backlog spans more than a decade and if the applicant passes away, their family is subject to self deportation. The backlog is due to antiquated per country caps which result in prolonged waiting times for populous countries (I am personally waiting for the last 11 years). Forget citizenship, forget changing legislation to give them green cards faster, the agency (uscis) is poised to waste 100,000 of such green cards this year (which cannot be recaptured without legislation next year). These numbers would otherwise be useful for applications whose petitions were approved up to 2013. Truly dystopian. https://www.wsj.com/articles/some-100-000-green-cards-at-risk-of-going-to-waste-in-covid-19-backlog-11628080201 https://www.wsj.com/articles/some-100-000-green-cards-at-ris...

wil421 5y ago
Why shouldn’t we have per country caps? India and China could easily become the majority of immigrants due to the population size. Mexico is the top country of origin for lawful residents but they are our closest neighbor and many families have ties to both countries, especially in boarder towns. Followed by China and India.[1] [1] https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/08/20/key-findings-about-u-s-immigrants/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/08/20/key-finding...
- spywaregorilla 5y ago
  And... why is that bad?
  - wil421 5y ago
    Personally I don’t think it’s bad and allows immigration to happen from more cultures and regions. GP was the one who had an issue with the per country caps.
- 0xcafecafe 5y ago
  The US issues approximately 1 million green cards per year. 86% of those (860k) are for family based and 140k are for employment based. Country caps for family based GCs is not a bad thing and in fact it does address your point domination by populous countries. In absence of a secondary differentiation criteria, per country caps are a good thing for family based GCs. But for the 140k employment based GCs, it depends on the company hiring the individual based on a skillset/qualification and sponsoring them for permanent residency. Google doesn't differentiate between an engineer from Argentina and an engineer from India (arbitrary example). Why should one get a greencard within a year and the other have to wait 10+ years? John oliver did a piece on it last year https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXqnRMU1fTs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXqnRMU1fTs