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I know it is not the same anymore. It doesn’t invalidate my experience from back then and the reason I left the community. And to get a response along the line

I know it is not the same anymore. It doesn’t invalidate my experience from back then and the reason I left the community. And to get a response along the line that, I don’t get to have an opinion because the stuff I worked on was “OLD SHIT” is insulting.

gjsman-1000 5y ago
The reason for that though is that it has changed so much that your old experience is hardly relevant because it is so different now. The Old PHP world and the New PHP world are hardly recognizable as the same thing.
- johntdaly 5y ago
  1) Would you argue that point with WordPress too? It still looks a lot like the old PHP and it is a big part of those nearly 80% market share. 2) Part of my point was PHP, regardless of what you may think of it, is not bad enough that any of that code needs a rewrite. Still PHP people concentrate on me not liking PHP and argue with me about that and nothing else. Why is the reflex in the PHP community to do this so strong?
  - dncornholio 5y ago
    WordPress sucks ass. It's a cancer and it's growing. But you can use modern PHP in your own theme or plugin if you want.
  - gjsman-1000 5y ago
    I would keep WordPress and PHP entirely separate in my mind. WordPress is... blegh. PHP and Laravel is a totally different story. As for the reflex... PHP has had this bad reputation for so long, that most PHP programmers (IMHO, just an opinion!) feel looked down-on for using what is actually a pretty decent system now. Viewed as inferior programmers for preferring it.
RobertRoberts 5y ago
It sounds like you may be taking this personally, that is not my intent. I think you should realize that when someone expresses an experience people often times read it as warning. And your experience sharing (as a warning to others) is not useful to the current state. And therefore could be considered damaging to other people's perspective without a counter "experience" being shared. I have my experience and the fact that it aligns perfectly with yours up until you stopped using PHP should be appreciated for what it is.

gjsman-1000 5y ago

The reason for that though is that it has changed so much that your old experience is hardly relevant because it is so different now. The Old PHP world and the New PHP world are hardly recognizable as the same thing.

johntdaly 5y ago
1) Would you argue that point with WordPress too? It still looks a lot like the old PHP and it is a big part of those nearly 80% market share. 2) Part of my point was PHP, regardless of what you may think of it, is not bad enough that any of that code needs a rewrite. Still PHP people concentrate on me not liking PHP and argue with me about that and nothing else. Why is the reflex in the PHP community to do this so strong?
- dncornholio 5y ago
  WordPress sucks ass. It's a cancer and it's growing. But you can use modern PHP in your own theme or plugin if you want.
- gjsman-1000 5y ago
  I would keep WordPress and PHP entirely separate in my mind. WordPress is... blegh. PHP and Laravel is a totally different story. As for the reflex... PHP has had this bad reputation for so long, that most PHP programmers (IMHO, just an opinion!) feel looked down-on for using what is actually a pretty decent system now. Viewed as inferior programmers for preferring it.

RobertRoberts 5y ago

It sounds like you may be taking this personally, that is not my intent. I think you should realize that when someone expresses an experience people often times read it as warning. And your experience sharing (as a warning to others) is not useful to the current state. And therefore could be considered damaging to other people's perspective without a counter "experience" being shared. I have my experience and the fact that it aligns perfectly with yours up until you stopped using PHP should be appreciated for what it is.