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So often, I see people lamenting how people are untrustworthy of science. They are quick to attribute it to their favorite bogeymen: Fox News, disinformation, F

So often, I see people lamenting how people are untrustworthy of science. They are quick to attribute it to their favorite bogeymen: Fox News, disinformation, Facebook, Twitter. Look in the mirror! You are the one causing people to not trust science! First, the truth is being stretched to hyperbolic proportions. Anyone can see it. "The vaccine is 100% effective, and has no complications!" slowly became "It might wear off in five months, and has a cardiac risk." Second, we are attaching moral judgements to a technical problem. When choosing whether to use NodeJS, Python, or Rust -- there may be a better fit. But if you choose NodeJS, it does not make you a bad person. If you do not get the vaccine, "the science" crowd will label you as a morally bad person. The emperor is naked, and I'm tired of being told only idiots and bigots say that.

neogodless 5y ago
> "The vaccine is 100% effective, and has no complications!" Source? Who claimed this? > If you do not get the vaccine, "the science" crowd will label you as a morally bad person. This has nothing to do with the "science" crowd. The vaccine reduces the spread of infection. Infection causes harm. Taking the vaccine reduces the statistical probability of you spreading infection to others, and others suffering the consequences of infection. That's a moral issue.
- lordloki 5y ago
  Natural immunity also reduces the spread of infection. The fact that we don't account for the natural immunity of those who have already been infected means that we are not following science but political dogma.
  - neogodless 5y ago
    Where did I claim otherwise? Are you just assuming I think the same things that "everyone" thinks?
  - watwut 5y ago
    Who is that "we"? Cause I have seen that both accounted in models and in regulations.
shadowgovt 5y ago
You are quite correct that people are making moral judgments too broadly. There's a lot of unknowns during a rapidly-moving pandemic. It's understandable... If our moral systems aren't related to avoidance of death and needless suffering, what are they even for? But I think people should remember that there are a lot of things that we won't know until the pandemic is under control. Humility should be the order of the day, all the way around.
bernulli 5y ago
Yeah, but picking Rust over Python won't get others killed.
- baja_blast 5y ago
  Unless it's a Boeing 737! I kid, but yeah I agree with your point.

neogodless 5y ago

> "The vaccine is 100% effective, and has no complications!" Source? Who claimed this? > If you do not get the vaccine, "the science" crowd will label you as a morally bad person. This has nothing to do with the "science" crowd. The vaccine reduces the spread of infection. Infection causes harm. Taking the vaccine reduces the statistical probability of you spreading infection to others, and others suffering the consequences of infection. That's a moral issue.

lordloki 5y ago
Natural immunity also reduces the spread of infection. The fact that we don't account for the natural immunity of those who have already been infected means that we are not following science but political dogma.
- neogodless 5y ago
  Where did I claim otherwise? Are you just assuming I think the same things that "everyone" thinks?
- watwut 5y ago
  Who is that "we"? Cause I have seen that both accounted in models and in regulations.

shadowgovt 5y ago

You are quite correct that people are making moral judgments too broadly. There's a lot of unknowns during a rapidly-moving pandemic. It's understandable... If our moral systems aren't related to avoidance of death and needless suffering, what are they even for? But I think people should remember that there are a lot of things that we won't know until the pandemic is under control. Humility should be the order of the day, all the way around.

bernulli 5y ago

Yeah, but picking Rust over Python won't get others killed.

baja_blast 5y ago
Unless it's a Boeing 737! I kid, but yeah I agree with your point.