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Over the long run there is no way that autonomous cars are more expensive

by hmate9 5y ago

XCSme 5y ago
Depends on how often they crash.
Ekaros 5y ago
Depends on how much more expensive autonomous car is. If such car is 1 million and regular is 100k and lifetime of both is 5 years you can pay more than 20 per hour to driver...
- wwtrv 5y ago
  Creating an autonomous car in the first place is the expensive part, the marginal cost can’t be significantly higher than the cost of a regular car.
  - tgsovlerkhgsel 5y ago
    The hardware (ML chips, failsafe systems, LIDAR, radar, cameras, other sensors) isn't cheap. I'd expect an autonomous car to cost at least 5k-10k more if mass produced at a similar scale, and probably more than that in practice due to smaller numbers. Plus R&D of course.
paulcole 5y ago
autonomous cars have to exist before we can debate which is less expensive. right now it's like debating which is less expensive unicorns or leprechauns.
kristopolous 5y ago
Who's liable if the driver crashes? Who's liable if the automated car crashes? Uber doesn't want to be responsible for the risks associated with their reward.
- Someone 5y ago
  > Who's liable if the driver crashes? Depends. If the driver is judged to be an employee, the employer can be liable, depending on circumstances. Extreme ends of the spectrum: - Company didn’t and couldn’t know that the driver was too drunk/tired to drive - Employee complained about working hours and traffic conditions; employer threatened employee with dismissal. > Who's liable if the automated car crashes? Again, depends. Could be the taxi company, the car owner, the manufacturer, even the driver (if they ignored zillions of warnings from the car, for example)
asdff 5y ago
Often times an expensive machine with an expensive service contract that requires an expensive technician is often a lot more expensive than just hiring someone for minimum wage and offering zero benefits. It's why McDonalds has had technology to automate burger flipping since the invention of the integrated circuit but prefers to use cheaper part time labor instead to this day, and why car factories only started using more automation and reducing headcounts in factories only after labor unions began demanding better pay and benefits.

Over the long run there is no way that autonomous cars are more expensive

by hmate9 5y ago

Over the long run there is no way that autonomous cars are more expensive

XCSme 5y ago

Depends on how often they crash.

Ekaros 5y ago

Depends on how much more expensive autonomous car is. If such car is 1 million and regular is 100k and lifetime of both is 5 years you can pay more than 20 per hour to driver...

wwtrv 5y ago
Creating an autonomous car in the first place is the expensive part, the marginal cost can’t be significantly higher than the cost of a regular car.
- tgsovlerkhgsel 5y ago
  The hardware (ML chips, failsafe systems, LIDAR, radar, cameras, other sensors) isn't cheap. I'd expect an autonomous car to cost at least 5k-10k more if mass produced at a similar scale, and probably more than that in practice due to smaller numbers. Plus R&D of course.

paulcole 5y ago

autonomous cars have to exist before we can debate which is less expensive. right now it's like debating which is less expensive unicorns or leprechauns.

kristopolous 5y ago

Who's liable if the driver crashes? Who's liable if the automated car crashes? Uber doesn't want to be responsible for the risks associated with their reward.

Someone 5y ago
> Who's liable if the driver crashes? Depends. If the driver is judged to be an employee, the employer can be liable, depending on circumstances. Extreme ends of the spectrum: - Company didn’t and couldn’t know that the driver was too drunk/tired to drive - Employee complained about working hours and traffic conditions; employer threatened employee with dismissal. > Who's liable if the automated car crashes? Again, depends. Could be the taxi company, the car owner, the manufacturer, even the driver (if they ignored zillions of warnings from the car, for example)

asdff 5y ago

Often times an expensive machine with an expensive service contract that requires an expensive technician is often a lot more expensive than just hiring someone for minimum wage and offering zero benefits. It's why McDonalds has had technology to automate burger flipping since the invention of the integrated circuit but prefers to use cheaper part time labor instead to this day, and why car factories only started using more automation and reducing headcounts in factories only after labor unions began demanding better pay and benefits.