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I remember quite well some people here claiming that Uber was just about to replace all their drivers with autonomous cars. It was back in 2015... we're in 2021

I remember quite well some people here claiming that Uber was just about to replace all their drivers with autonomous cars. It was back in 2015... we're in 2021.

weijoi 5y ago
No driver - no problem. Communists will downvote this comment :D
teekert 5y ago
It’s happening in the year of Linux on the desktop.
- the-dude 5y ago
  We can invent something new : The year of the Linux driver
  - shaan7 5y ago
    Or, "When Linux becomes your daily driver" ;)
- cblconfederate 5y ago
  and apple web notifications
Cthulhu_ 5y ago
Autonomous cars are more expensive than drivers; the only reason they dislike having real drivers is that they have a voice.
- hmate9 5y ago
  Over the long run there is no way that autonomous cars are more expensive
  - XCSme 5y ago
    Depends on how often they crash.
  - Ekaros 5y ago
    Depends on how much more expensive autonomous car is. If such car is 1 million and regular is 100k and lifetime of both is 5 years you can pay more than 20 per hour to driver...
    - wwtrv 5y ago
      Creating an autonomous car in the first place is the expensive part, the marginal cost can’t be significantly higher than the cost of a regular car.
      - tgsovlerkhgsel 5y ago
        The hardware (ML chips, failsafe systems, LIDAR, radar, cameras, other sensors) isn't cheap. I'd expect an autonomous car to cost at least 5k-10k more if mass produced at a similar scale, and probably more than that in practice due to smaller numbers. Plus R&D of course.
  - paulcole 5y ago
    autonomous cars have to exist before we can debate which is less expensive. right now it's like debating which is less expensive unicorns or leprechauns.
  - kristopolous 5y ago
    Who's liable if the driver crashes? Who's liable if the automated car crashes? Uber doesn't want to be responsible for the risks associated with their reward.
    - Someone 5y ago
      > Who's liable if the driver crashes? Depends. If the driver is judged to be an employee, the employer can be liable, depending on circumstances. Extreme ends of the spectrum: - Company didn’t and couldn’t know that the driver was too drunk/tired to drive - Employee complained about working hours and traffic conditions; employer threatened employee with dismissal. > Who's liable if the automated car crashes? Again, depends. Could be the taxi company, the car owner, the manufacturer, even the driver (if they ignored zillions of warnings from the car, for example)
ur-whale 5y ago
> replace all their drivers with autonomous cars. And now, they have been given a huge incentive to do just that. Way to foster innovation Dutch govt. !

I remember quite well some people here claiming that Uber was just about to replace all their drivers with autonomous cars. It was back in 2015... we're in 2021.

weijoi 5y ago

No driver - no problem. Communists will downvote this comment :D

teekert 5y ago

It’s happening in the year of Linux on the desktop.

the-dude 5y ago
We can invent something new : The year of the Linux driver
- shaan7 5y ago
  Or, "When Linux becomes your daily driver" ;)
cblconfederate 5y ago
and apple web notifications

Cthulhu_ 5y ago

Autonomous cars are more expensive than drivers; the only reason they dislike having real drivers is that they have a voice.

hmate9 5y ago
Over the long run there is no way that autonomous cars are more expensive
- XCSme 5y ago
  Depends on how often they crash.
- Ekaros 5y ago
  Depends on how much more expensive autonomous car is. If such car is 1 million and regular is 100k and lifetime of both is 5 years you can pay more than 20 per hour to driver...
  - wwtrv 5y ago
    Creating an autonomous car in the first place is the expensive part, the marginal cost can’t be significantly higher than the cost of a regular car.
    - tgsovlerkhgsel 5y ago
      The hardware (ML chips, failsafe systems, LIDAR, radar, cameras, other sensors) isn't cheap. I'd expect an autonomous car to cost at least 5k-10k more if mass produced at a similar scale, and probably more than that in practice due to smaller numbers. Plus R&D of course.
- paulcole 5y ago
  autonomous cars have to exist before we can debate which is less expensive. right now it's like debating which is less expensive unicorns or leprechauns.
- kristopolous 5y ago
  Who's liable if the driver crashes? Who's liable if the automated car crashes? Uber doesn't want to be responsible for the risks associated with their reward.
  - Someone 5y ago
    > Who's liable if the driver crashes? Depends. If the driver is judged to be an employee, the employer can be liable, depending on circumstances. Extreme ends of the spectrum: - Company didn’t and couldn’t know that the driver was too drunk/tired to drive - Employee complained about working hours and traffic conditions; employer threatened employee with dismissal. > Who's liable if the automated car crashes? Again, depends. Could be the taxi company, the car owner, the manufacturer, even the driver (if they ignored zillions of warnings from the car, for example)

ur-whale 5y ago

> replace all their drivers with autonomous cars. And now, they have been given a huge incentive to do just that. Way to foster innovation Dutch govt. !