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For the company it costs more money, but for the employee, you are way better being employed than contractor. This is not a surprise, this extra money is effec

by Loic 5y ago

For the company it costs more money, but for the employee, you are way better being employed than contractor. This is not a surprise, this extra money is effectively bringing the employee health insurance, pension, invalidity pension, unemployment benefit, maximum number of hours to work per week, paid vacations, etc. If you need to pay it out of your pocket, it turns out to be the same. In the "old" Europe, the net salary is basically 50% of the cost for the company, sometimes a bit more, sometimes less depending of marital status, country, etc. But this is a good rule of thumb.

bserge 5y ago
I can see the future: "New EU law: for every multipurpose robot in operation, the company must employ one human" :D
- watt 5y ago
  From the strikes of train driver's unions in Germany, I think that's where it is headed. "You can automate trains if you like, but the whole current workforce still must stay employed."
- consumer451 5y ago
  Well, maybe something more along the lines of a contribution towards UBI, or similar. This is a concept I first heard come out of the US, from Musk maybe?
laurent92 5y ago
> this extra money is effectively bringing the employee health insurance, pension, invalidity pension, unemployment benefit, Yes, but about half that money gets “lost on the way”. You don’t contribute for yourself. You contribute for “others”, but “others” is defined with very specific conditions so you can never be part of them. It’s a way to take money from the people who sweat and eventually die at their workplace and give it to people who are preferred by (place the government of the moment here). Redistribution in Europe is a racial program. PS: I had a friend who went paraplegic and he was surprised that, after a life of donating 63% of his revenue to social contributions, his disability indemnity was… 923€. Per month. Including the part with which he’s supposed to use to buy a disabled-compatible kitchen and the part that he’s supposed to use to hire domestic help. 923€!!! He’s paid the state >2500€ per month for 15 years!!! He’s basically in poverty now. The rest of the social contributions goes to muslims.
- dang 5y ago
  Please don't take HN threads into political or ideological flamewar, and especially not religious or race flamewar. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: when an account crosses into using HN primarily for ideological battle, that's when we ban it - regardless of which ideology it's battling for or against. So please don't do that. Again: it's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=false&page=0&query=primarily%20test%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...

by Loic 5y ago

bserge 5y ago

I can see the future: "New EU law: for every multipurpose robot in operation, the company must employ one human" :D

watt 5y ago
From the strikes of train driver's unions in Germany, I think that's where it is headed. "You can automate trains if you like, but the whole current workforce still must stay employed."
consumer451 5y ago
Well, maybe something more along the lines of a contribution towards UBI, or similar. This is a concept I first heard come out of the US, from Musk maybe?

laurent92 5y ago

> this extra money is effectively bringing the employee health insurance, pension, invalidity pension, unemployment benefit, Yes, but about half that money gets “lost on the way”. You don’t contribute for yourself. You contribute for “others”, but “others” is defined with very specific conditions so you can never be part of them. It’s a way to take money from the people who sweat and eventually die at their workplace and give it to people who are preferred by (place the government of the moment here). Redistribution in Europe is a racial program. PS: I had a friend who went paraplegic and he was surprised that, after a life of donating 63% of his revenue to social contributions, his disability indemnity was… 923€. Per month. Including the part with which he’s supposed to use to buy a disabled-compatible kitchen and the part that he’s supposed to use to hire domestic help. 923€!!! He’s paid the state >2500€ per month for 15 years!!! He’s basically in poverty now. The rest of the social contributions goes to muslims.

dang 5y ago
Please don't take HN threads into political or ideological flamewar, and especially not religious or race flamewar. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: when an account crosses into using HN primarily for ideological battle, that's when we ban it - regardless of which ideology it's battling for or against. So please don't do that. Again: it's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=false&page=0&query=primarily%20test%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...