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Uber Loses Battle over Drivers’ Rights in the Netherlands

63 points by cunidev 5y ago

Etheryte 5y ago
https://archive.md/iXMuu https://archive.md/iXMuu
- Aachen 5y ago
  The relevant bits: > The legal relationship between Uber and its drivers meets all of the characteristics of an employment contract, the court said in its judgement. [...] Uber said it will appeal [...] Uber said the company has no plans to employ drivers in the Netherlands.
yawaworht1978 5y ago
Lol the title sounds like Uber was ready to die on the "defending our workers" hill, when nothing could be further from the truth. The correct title should be Uber loses battle to skirt existing laws, they were trying to exploit the workers beyond what is mandated by law. In the us, they can call it disrupt, here it's called breaking the law. Mc Donald's, every little fast food outlet is supposed to pay the social expenses, I hope Uber now got the message. Never use them ever, anywhere in the world precisely for that reason.
- thefounder 5y ago
  >> Never use them ever, anywhere in the world precisely for that reason. But they are better than the taxi sharks. I will always use them!
  - dncornholio 5y ago
    So you would rather pay less for a ride and let the driver take the hit? Wouldn't you be happier knowing the driver can cover his insurance, has pension, etc? Regular taxi's might be overpriced, but you don't need to create an Uber to solve this problem.
    - yawaworht1978 5y ago
      Exactly, one way or another we pay anyway. One is instant, to the Uber app, the other is clandestine and not immediately obvious. I am more happy to know the driver can make a living from it. The parasitic disrupting companies can feel free to ask for more investor money. Uber is taking advantage of this while they can. as soon the threat of 10k fine per infringement is set, they stop. They only listen to violence and threats, oh well so be it. As for expensive prices, let the Europeans sort it out themselves.
    - thefounder 5y ago
      The taxi services are not only overpriced but they are bad as well. Many drivers take advantage of the lack of transparency and supervision(i.e they overcharge you, don't keep the cars clean, you can't leave any review etc). I like Uber because they fixed many of the taxi service issues(at least on the consumer side). The taxi drivers/industry deserves a Uber "disruption".
hoppyhoppy2 5y ago
Also on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28509463 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28509463
- dang 5y ago
  Comments moved thither. Thanks!

63 points by cunidev 5y ago

Etheryte 5y ago

https://archive.md/iXMuu https://archive.md/iXMuu

Aachen 5y ago
The relevant bits: > The legal relationship between Uber and its drivers meets all of the characteristics of an employment contract, the court said in its judgement. [...] Uber said it will appeal [...] Uber said the company has no plans to employ drivers in the Netherlands.

yawaworht1978 5y ago

Lol the title sounds like Uber was ready to die on the "defending our workers" hill, when nothing could be further from the truth. The correct title should be Uber loses battle to skirt existing laws, they were trying to exploit the workers beyond what is mandated by law. In the us, they can call it disrupt, here it's called breaking the law. Mc Donald's, every little fast food outlet is supposed to pay the social expenses, I hope Uber now got the message. Never use them ever, anywhere in the world precisely for that reason.

thefounder 5y ago
>> Never use them ever, anywhere in the world precisely for that reason. But they are better than the taxi sharks. I will always use them!
- dncornholio 5y ago
  So you would rather pay less for a ride and let the driver take the hit? Wouldn't you be happier knowing the driver can cover his insurance, has pension, etc? Regular taxi's might be overpriced, but you don't need to create an Uber to solve this problem.
  - yawaworht1978 5y ago
    Exactly, one way or another we pay anyway. One is instant, to the Uber app, the other is clandestine and not immediately obvious. I am more happy to know the driver can make a living from it. The parasitic disrupting companies can feel free to ask for more investor money. Uber is taking advantage of this while they can. as soon the threat of 10k fine per infringement is set, they stop. They only listen to violence and threats, oh well so be it. As for expensive prices, let the Europeans sort it out themselves.
  - thefounder 5y ago
    The taxi services are not only overpriced but they are bad as well. Many drivers take advantage of the lack of transparency and supervision(i.e they overcharge you, don't keep the cars clean, you can't leave any review etc). I like Uber because they fixed many of the taxi service issues(at least on the consumer side). The taxi drivers/industry deserves a Uber "disruption".

hoppyhoppy2 5y ago

Also on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28509463 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28509463

dang 5y ago
Comments moved thither. Thanks!