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>>Your hypothetical HIV vaccine example is not relevant to the situation with Covid. I never posed a hypothetical HIV vaccine example, and your deliberate misc

>>Your hypothetical HIV vaccine example is not relevant to the situation with Covid. I never posed a hypothetical HIV vaccine example, and your deliberate mischaracterization of my point is another demonstration of the bad faith and manipulative tactics you employ.

jasonlaramburu 5y ago
No not really. Your claim (perhaps in bad faith) is that HIV and Covid should be treated as equivalents (or that it is at least hypocritical to NOT consider them equivalents). However that is not relevant to this particular discussion or mandate. One is a matter of workplace safety. One cannot be contracted under normal work conditions.
- CryptoPunk 5y ago
  My point was not that at all. My point was that there are a myriad of preventable illnesses, that impose a massive cost on society, that the same members of the left wing tribe that are advocating for a vaccine mandate, would never dream of advocating be combated through any restrictions that violate bodily autonomy, and that this inconsistency reveals that these vaccine mandate supporters are disingenuous when they claim their motivation for advocating for a vaccine mandate is the burden the unvaccinated put on the healthcare system.
  - jasonlaramburu 5y ago
    > My point was not that at all. Sure it was. You said in reference to 'liberals' who support covid vaccine mandates (but presumably wouldn't support measures to restrict 100% of other risky behaviors): "Their hypocrisy is staggering." My point, which you continue to ignore, is that the societal cost of other diseases or risky behaviors is irrelevant to the current discussion. The COVID-19 vaccine mandate discussed in the OP is a matter of workplace safety. Cancer, heart disease, HIV etc are not threats to workplace safety. If there are other circulating diseases that present an equivalent scale threat to workplace safety please feel free to present them. Addiction may be, however in the US employers already have wide latitude to test for it and terminate employees in violation.

jasonlaramburu 5y ago

No not really. Your claim (perhaps in bad faith) is that HIV and Covid should be treated as equivalents (or that it is at least hypocritical to NOT consider them equivalents). However that is not relevant to this particular discussion or mandate. One is a matter of workplace safety. One cannot be contracted under normal work conditions.

CryptoPunk 5y ago
My point was not that at all. My point was that there are a myriad of preventable illnesses, that impose a massive cost on society, that the same members of the left wing tribe that are advocating for a vaccine mandate, would never dream of advocating be combated through any restrictions that violate bodily autonomy, and that this inconsistency reveals that these vaccine mandate supporters are disingenuous when they claim their motivation for advocating for a vaccine mandate is the burden the unvaccinated put on the healthcare system.
- jasonlaramburu 5y ago
  > My point was not that at all. Sure it was. You said in reference to 'liberals' who support covid vaccine mandates (but presumably wouldn't support measures to restrict 100% of other risky behaviors): "Their hypocrisy is staggering." My point, which you continue to ignore, is that the societal cost of other diseases or risky behaviors is irrelevant to the current discussion. The COVID-19 vaccine mandate discussed in the OP is a matter of workplace safety. Cancer, heart disease, HIV etc are not threats to workplace safety. If there are other circulating diseases that present an equivalent scale threat to workplace safety please feel free to present them. Addiction may be, however in the US employers already have wide latitude to test for it and terminate employees in violation.