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> in environmentally damaging activities such as logging. That's most probably the case, yes. I live in a country (Romania) where a lot of illegal (or borderl

> in environmentally damaging activities such as logging. That's most probably the case, yes. I live in a country (Romania) where a lot of illegal (or borderline-illegal) logging activities happen and a few environmental activists have been physically harmed while one or two foresters have actually been killed. The issue is that many mountain communities (where the logging happens) are dependent on that activity for their actual survival, because honestly there's not that much one can do in a mountain village to gain your daily bread, and of course when outside forces (like the central administration that employs said foresters, or the environmental activists whose income does not depend on those trees being cut down) come in and threaten that survival the inevitable happens, i.e. physical violence.

rocgf 5y ago
Not sure if that's quite right? The ones targeted by the law and activists for illegal logging are usually companies connected to politicians. They are indeed violent, but they don't get to benefit from any excuses like the one you presented.
- paganel 5y ago
  Those companies are not using robots to cut those trees down and transport them, they're using local people who get paid for that. If you stop those logging activities then the locals don't get paid anymore. Another thing is that a lot of people living in those mountain villages were dependent on those forrest trees for their winter heating and small things to do around the house, it was an unwritten rule centuries old, i.e. the forrest belonged to everyone from the village. In Western Europe the powers that be got rid of this custom some time ago, the French around 200 years ago thanks to Napoleon, the English I think even before that. Now, you have those foresters accompanied in some cases by the police who can send you to prison if you're carrying some undocumented wood, the same as your dad or your grand-dad or your ancestors used to do for centuries. Of course that will create havoc.
krasi0 5y ago
Quite similar is the situation in neighbouring Bulgaria and I am sure the rest of the Balkan countries as well.

rocgf 5y ago

Not sure if that's quite right? The ones targeted by the law and activists for illegal logging are usually companies connected to politicians. They are indeed violent, but they don't get to benefit from any excuses like the one you presented.

paganel 5y ago
Those companies are not using robots to cut those trees down and transport them, they're using local people who get paid for that. If you stop those logging activities then the locals don't get paid anymore. Another thing is that a lot of people living in those mountain villages were dependent on those forrest trees for their winter heating and small things to do around the house, it was an unwritten rule centuries old, i.e. the forrest belonged to everyone from the village. In Western Europe the powers that be got rid of this custom some time ago, the French around 200 years ago thanks to Napoleon, the English I think even before that. Now, you have those foresters accompanied in some cases by the police who can send you to prison if you're carrying some undocumented wood, the same as your dad or your grand-dad or your ancestors used to do for centuries. Of course that will create havoc.

krasi0 5y ago

Quite similar is the situation in neighbouring Bulgaria and I am sure the rest of the Balkan countries as well.