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The police are in on it, the government is in on it, the corporation is responsible. Clear as day.

by anderson1993 5y ago

zohch 5y ago
> The police are in on it, the government is in on it, the corporation is responsible. Then why does it not stop? If you look at the countries where this problem is occuring, they don't really have highly effective governments, they have lots of corruption, and generally high crime rates. If the governments do not prosecute those responsible and hold corporations to account, this won't stop, and if the people in those countries by and large continue their support for their corrupt governments and police, then that will also not change.
- yunohn 5y ago
  If you look at the corporations named, none of them are owned by locals. They’re all global mega corps, owned and operated through Western parents. They exploit the local chaotic governance to their advantage - and evade prosecution in their home countries by virtue of it being conducted on “foreign soil”.
  - Paianni 5y ago
    Not always... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siemens#2005_and_continuing:_worldwide_bribery_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siemens#2005_and_continuing:_w...
    - yunohn 5y ago
      It’s good to see that (occasionally) international megacorps can be prosecuted for international crimes - I’d argue that a fine is more of a slap on the wrist, but it’s better than nothing. I’d really like to see oil/wood/mining megacorps be brought to justice as well.
  - pastage 5y ago
    The US seems to be very trigger happy wrt foreign companies giving bribes on forgein soil, if they have a presence in the US. I think FCAP has been modified to be more efficient in this respect.
    - yunohn 5y ago
      I’d like to believe that laws solve things, but clearly this article proves otherwise.
      - zohch 5y ago
        As someone who comes from a third world country, my view on this is that the solution starts with people voting for better governments. Governments that are willing to actually enforce the law. If most murder cases remain unsolved in a country then that seems like then that is a bigger problem that who gets murdered, and I can promise you that most murder victims in these countries are not climate activists. Laws without rule of law won't work. We can then devolve into might makes right, which is the current situation, and in that situation most people lose out.

The police are in on it, the government is in on it, the corporation is responsible. Clear as day.

> The police are in on it, the government is in on it, the corporation is responsible. Then why does it not stop? If you look at the countries where this problem is occuring, they don't really have highly effective governments, they have lots of corruption, and generally high crime rates. If the governments do not prosecute those responsible and hold corporations to account, this won't stop, and if the people in those countries by and large continue their support for their corrupt governments and police, then that will also not change.

yunohn 5y ago
If you look at the corporations named, none of them are owned by locals. They’re all global mega corps, owned and operated through Western parents. They exploit the local chaotic governance to their advantage - and evade prosecution in their home countries by virtue of it being conducted on “foreign soil”.
- Paianni 5y ago
  Not always... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siemens#2005_and_continuing:_worldwide_bribery_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siemens#2005_and_continuing:_w...
  - yunohn 5y ago
    It’s good to see that (occasionally) international megacorps can be prosecuted for international crimes - I’d argue that a fine is more of a slap on the wrist, but it’s better than nothing. I’d really like to see oil/wood/mining megacorps be brought to justice as well.
- pastage 5y ago
  The US seems to be very trigger happy wrt foreign companies giving bribes on forgein soil, if they have a presence in the US. I think FCAP has been modified to be more efficient in this respect.
  - yunohn 5y ago
    I’d like to believe that laws solve things, but clearly this article proves otherwise.
    - zohch 5y ago
      As someone who comes from a third world country, my view on this is that the solution starts with people voting for better governments. Governments that are willing to actually enforce the law. If most murder cases remain unsolved in a country then that seems like then that is a bigger problem that who gets murdered, and I can promise you that most murder victims in these countries are not climate activists. Laws without rule of law won't work. We can then devolve into might makes right, which is the current situation, and in that situation most people lose out.