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Even twenty years ago, nicotine was so vilified (for good reason probally) scientists didn't do non-biased studies. I remember Dr. Dean Edell always yacking ab

Even twenty years ago, nicotine was so vilified (for good reason probally) scientists didn't do non-biased studies. I remember Dr. Dean Edell always yacking about this. (antidotally--I have know smokers, who didn't eat much, never seemed to get sick. My best friend of twenty years never got sick. I used to say, you smoke 4-5 packs/day. I don't get it. I even had him go in to check his Coronary arteries because I just assumed the worse. His arteries were clean. He practiced calorie restriction, but not on purpose. He just didn't eat much. And yes--at that much tobacco, how do you eat? He made it to 65. He died do to smoking. His lungs finally gave up one night. Now--smokers who ate a lot seemed like they were always sick.)

EMM_386 5y ago
This is why vaping may actually be a good alternative. It's just nicotine and food-grade VG/PG/flavor. The "vaping lung" illnesses seemed to center around THC vape oil made from Vitamin E acetate which caused the damage. Not nicotine vapes. This is in the case of smoking/nicotine, I am unsure about any ACE2 binding interaction with regards to Covid-19.
- xyzzy21 5y ago
  Do agree - the lesser damage is definitely vaping. And Pareto -ranked risk analysis should be the ONLY way to decide such things. The societal veto is "Yeah, we want cars despite being highly Pareto-ranked for death!" in which case NOTHING with lower rank should be worried about or allowed to be regulated more than what is spent on that particular risk!
- betwixthewires 5y ago
  People who are particular about what they put in their bodies should note, you almost never know the details of what is in the flavors. Vaping pure VG+nicotine or VG+PG+nicotine is extremely safe if the nicotine is at normal doses. Flavors are probably mostly safe, but you don't know for sure. Nicotine itself is highly toxic (contact, even on skin, with 0.5mg per pound of body weight is lethal). Also inhaling heated glycerin vapor is not good for you, it doesn't cause anything remotely resembling what cigarettes do and thus far is not thought to cause any long term illness. PG is used in asthma inhalers, although not heated, so that should give you some idea of how inert these compounds are in your lungs. The most dangerous aspect of vaping IMO is the content of the metals used to make the heating coils. Currently I'm not aware of any sort of assurance that manufacturers can give as to where they source coil wire, and if you make your own coils you should do it with wire that you know is inert when heated, which isn't as easy as it sounds. Two materials used for coils, Nickel Chromium alloy and Titanium, are known to release toxic oxides when heated too much, but these aren't very popular, and 2 other alloys that are common, Kanthal A1 and stainless steel are inert when heated so long as they're made of what they're supposed to be made of and have no impurities.
tmccrary55 5y ago
Nicotine is a strong appetite suppressant. With cigarettes, I don't think the worst aspect is nicotine but everything else like tar, burning material, etc. Nicotine itself is pretty similar to caffeine.
- consumer451 5y ago
  Likely the worst component of cigarettes is Polonium 210. This apparently comes from phosphorus rich fertilizers. This is quite an interesting rabbit hole to jump into. https://www.google.com/search?q=pubmed+polonium+tobacco https://www.google.com/search?q=pubmed+polonium+tobacco One of the more interesting ones: “Waking a Sleeping Giant: The Tobacco Industry’s Response to the Polonium-210 Issue“ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2509609/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2509609/ My hot take: Tobacco seems like the most important product to consume from “organic” growers.
  - xyzzy21 5y ago
    Yep. And a lot of this is made worse by using mined phosphate fertilizers which are formed geologically such that transuranic daughter elements are concentrated into the phosphate. Tobacco itself also concentrates them.
- xyzzy21 5y ago
  Nicotine also has nootropic effects (just like amphetamine and cocaine).

EMM_386 5y ago

This is why vaping may actually be a good alternative. It's just nicotine and food-grade VG/PG/flavor. The "vaping lung" illnesses seemed to center around THC vape oil made from Vitamin E acetate which caused the damage. Not nicotine vapes. This is in the case of smoking/nicotine, I am unsure about any ACE2 binding interaction with regards to Covid-19.

xyzzy21 5y ago
Do agree - the lesser damage is definitely vaping. And Pareto -ranked risk analysis should be the ONLY way to decide such things. The societal veto is "Yeah, we want cars despite being highly Pareto-ranked for death!" in which case NOTHING with lower rank should be worried about or allowed to be regulated more than what is spent on that particular risk!
betwixthewires 5y ago
People who are particular about what they put in their bodies should note, you almost never know the details of what is in the flavors. Vaping pure VG+nicotine or VG+PG+nicotine is extremely safe if the nicotine is at normal doses. Flavors are probably mostly safe, but you don't know for sure. Nicotine itself is highly toxic (contact, even on skin, with 0.5mg per pound of body weight is lethal). Also inhaling heated glycerin vapor is not good for you, it doesn't cause anything remotely resembling what cigarettes do and thus far is not thought to cause any long term illness. PG is used in asthma inhalers, although not heated, so that should give you some idea of how inert these compounds are in your lungs. The most dangerous aspect of vaping IMO is the content of the metals used to make the heating coils. Currently I'm not aware of any sort of assurance that manufacturers can give as to where they source coil wire, and if you make your own coils you should do it with wire that you know is inert when heated, which isn't as easy as it sounds. Two materials used for coils, Nickel Chromium alloy and Titanium, are known to release toxic oxides when heated too much, but these aren't very popular, and 2 other alloys that are common, Kanthal A1 and stainless steel are inert when heated so long as they're made of what they're supposed to be made of and have no impurities.

tmccrary55 5y ago

Nicotine is a strong appetite suppressant. With cigarettes, I don't think the worst aspect is nicotine but everything else like tar, burning material, etc. Nicotine itself is pretty similar to caffeine.

consumer451 5y ago
Likely the worst component of cigarettes is Polonium 210. This apparently comes from phosphorus rich fertilizers. This is quite an interesting rabbit hole to jump into. https://www.google.com/search?q=pubmed+polonium+tobacco https://www.google.com/search?q=pubmed+polonium+tobacco One of the more interesting ones: “Waking a Sleeping Giant: The Tobacco Industry’s Response to the Polonium-210 Issue“ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2509609/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2509609/ My hot take: Tobacco seems like the most important product to consume from “organic” growers.
- xyzzy21 5y ago
  Yep. And a lot of this is made worse by using mined phosphate fertilizers which are formed geologically such that transuranic daughter elements are concentrated into the phosphate. Tobacco itself also concentrates them.
xyzzy21 5y ago
Nicotine also has nootropic effects (just like amphetamine and cocaine).