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To be fair that "light speed weapon" scene was incredibly awesome to watch (and "hear"). If I remember anything from that trilogy ... it is that scene.

by fho 5y ago

darkerside 5y ago
Ridiculous that the entire movie was basically a setup for one scene that admittedly looked cool, but also made no sense in the context of the universe. Can't believe they let someone like that steer an American cultural icon into the ground.
- SketchySeaBeast 5y ago
  > Can't believe they let someone like that I assume you're referring to Rian Johnson - I wouldn't lay the blame all on him - he's clearly capable of making great fun movies. I think the fact that the new trilogy is an incohesive mess is entirely the fault of Disney as a whole not knowing what they wanted to do with it. I'd also lay a ton of the blame at JJ Abraham's feet - the man loves to set up a mystery but seemingly doesn't ever know the answer himself. Rian certainly made some interesting choices, but I can't help but think that it's because he had no roadmap for what was supposed to happen and no one was there to tell him no.
  - darkerside 5y ago
    He asked JJ to make changes to TFA to set up his vision for TLJ. JJ certainly shares blame (TROS was garbage and everybody knows it, including JJ), and the flaws you describe are accurate. But this was RJ's movie, given to him by the executives at Disney, with no interference to speak of. How can you not blame the man with the smoking gun?
    - SketchySeaBeast 5y ago
      > He asked JJ to make changes to TFA to set up his vision for TLJ. Do you have articles about that? I hadn't heard about it. It's also surprising considering that JJ didn't do the same back to him, especially with the whole "no, her lineage IS special" thing. Weird power dynamics. > How can you not blame the man with the smoking gun? Because it was all garbage? Honestly, if they'd continued on TLJ's path, I think it would have been a better ending than what actually happened. Maybe they would have changed Star Wars instead of just rehashing the exact same thing again.
      - darkerside 5y ago
        https://www.inverse.com/article/40133-star-wars-luke-skywalker-force-last-jedi-force-awakens-ending https://www.inverse.com/article/40133-star-wars-luke-skywalk... I agree it was all trash, and honestly, as much as I resent TLJ, it would have been a better trilogy if they went down the shit path that RJ sent them down. JJ didn't even try.
- toast0 5y ago
  Unfortunately, by the third movie, Lucas didn't have to listen when other people said no (or nobody told him no anyway), and the quality plumetted. It doesn't take a lot to ignore the junk in Return. But the prequels are crap between a lack of interesting story, lack of interesting characters, lack of interesting sets. Somehow character are in the desert of wherever, but aren't hot and there's no sand movement at all. The only way to make those movies interesting is to try to convince others that JarJar is the phantom menance, and that Chewbacca owns the falcon and is just letting the humans borrow it. Let's say nothing about the holiday special. Given how far Lucas had run the vessel aground, anything Disney does is fair game.
  - AtlasBarfed 5y ago
    The Ewoks were supposed to be wookies originally I heard somewhere. IMO would have fundamentally fixed the movie. Cutification was simply a money grab.
  - darkerside 5y ago
    I was tremendously disappointed in the prequels. With time, I think I've seen that the underlying story was actually quite good. A talented youth is insidiously corrupted under the nose of an older brother figure whose trust blinds him. It all leads up to a climactic battle where the mentor disfigures his student and leaves him for dead. The galactic politics are actually really intriguing if you bother to get a sense for what's happening. Unfortunately, it's all derailed by very clumsy writing, poor acting direction, and shoddy editing, to say nothing of overwrought expectations. At least that's my take. I still don't love the prequels, but I can see and appreciate the underlying story that was attempted to be told. "The bones are good" as they say. I don't think the sequels will age so well.
- saalweachter 5y ago
  > Can't believe they let someone like that steer an American cultural icon into the ground. Yeah, how dare they let Steven Spielberg make Indiana Jones 4 and George Lucas make Star Wars 1-3.
  - darkerside 5y ago
    Bad movies is one thing. Willful fuckery is another. I recognize it because I engage in it, too. But I try not to do it to things that are sacred to other people.

To be fair that "light speed weapon" scene was incredibly awesome to watch (and "hear"). If I remember anything from that trilogy ... it is that scene.

by fho 5y ago

To be fair that "light speed weapon" scene was incredibly awesome to watch (and "hear"). If I remember anything from that trilogy ... it is that scene.

darkerside 5y ago

Ridiculous that the entire movie was basically a setup for one scene that admittedly looked cool, but also made no sense in the context of the universe. Can't believe they let someone like that steer an American cultural icon into the ground.

SketchySeaBeast 5y ago
> Can't believe they let someone like that I assume you're referring to Rian Johnson - I wouldn't lay the blame all on him - he's clearly capable of making great fun movies. I think the fact that the new trilogy is an incohesive mess is entirely the fault of Disney as a whole not knowing what they wanted to do with it. I'd also lay a ton of the blame at JJ Abraham's feet - the man loves to set up a mystery but seemingly doesn't ever know the answer himself. Rian certainly made some interesting choices, but I can't help but think that it's because he had no roadmap for what was supposed to happen and no one was there to tell him no.
- darkerside 5y ago
  He asked JJ to make changes to TFA to set up his vision for TLJ. JJ certainly shares blame (TROS was garbage and everybody knows it, including JJ), and the flaws you describe are accurate. But this was RJ's movie, given to him by the executives at Disney, with no interference to speak of. How can you not blame the man with the smoking gun?
  - SketchySeaBeast 5y ago
    > He asked JJ to make changes to TFA to set up his vision for TLJ. Do you have articles about that? I hadn't heard about it. It's also surprising considering that JJ didn't do the same back to him, especially with the whole "no, her lineage IS special" thing. Weird power dynamics. > How can you not blame the man with the smoking gun? Because it was all garbage? Honestly, if they'd continued on TLJ's path, I think it would have been a better ending than what actually happened. Maybe they would have changed Star Wars instead of just rehashing the exact same thing again.
    - darkerside 5y ago
      https://www.inverse.com/article/40133-star-wars-luke-skywalker-force-last-jedi-force-awakens-ending https://www.inverse.com/article/40133-star-wars-luke-skywalk... I agree it was all trash, and honestly, as much as I resent TLJ, it would have been a better trilogy if they went down the shit path that RJ sent them down. JJ didn't even try.
toast0 5y ago
Unfortunately, by the third movie, Lucas didn't have to listen when other people said no (or nobody told him no anyway), and the quality plumetted. It doesn't take a lot to ignore the junk in Return. But the prequels are crap between a lack of interesting story, lack of interesting characters, lack of interesting sets. Somehow character are in the desert of wherever, but aren't hot and there's no sand movement at all. The only way to make those movies interesting is to try to convince others that JarJar is the phantom menance, and that Chewbacca owns the falcon and is just letting the humans borrow it. Let's say nothing about the holiday special. Given how far Lucas had run the vessel aground, anything Disney does is fair game.
- AtlasBarfed 5y ago
  The Ewoks were supposed to be wookies originally I heard somewhere. IMO would have fundamentally fixed the movie. Cutification was simply a money grab.
- darkerside 5y ago
  I was tremendously disappointed in the prequels. With time, I think I've seen that the underlying story was actually quite good. A talented youth is insidiously corrupted under the nose of an older brother figure whose trust blinds him. It all leads up to a climactic battle where the mentor disfigures his student and leaves him for dead. The galactic politics are actually really intriguing if you bother to get a sense for what's happening. Unfortunately, it's all derailed by very clumsy writing, poor acting direction, and shoddy editing, to say nothing of overwrought expectations. At least that's my take. I still don't love the prequels, but I can see and appreciate the underlying story that was attempted to be told. "The bones are good" as they say. I don't think the sequels will age so well.
saalweachter 5y ago
> Can't believe they let someone like that steer an American cultural icon into the ground. Yeah, how dare they let Steven Spielberg make Indiana Jones 4 and George Lucas make Star Wars 1-3.
- darkerside 5y ago
  Bad movies is one thing. Willful fuckery is another. I recognize it because I engage in it, too. But I try not to do it to things that are sacred to other people.