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Note this is about two distinct types of work: Guttenberg faked a dissertation to obtain an academic degree, Baerbock did so when publishing a pop culture book,

Note this is about two distinct types of work: Guttenberg faked a dissertation to obtain an academic degree, Baerbock did so when publishing a pop culture book, essentially the offline equivalent of a medium/substack account. Not a fan of plagiarism either way, but those two cases are hardly comparable. Both are copyright issues, but faking a dissertation adds fraud to the equation and disqualifies the person from future academic work.

notanzaiiswear 5y ago
Before the book, Baerbock was in trouble for faking her CV, suggesting qualifications she doesn't really have. I don't know what the last word on that was, though. Pointing out the book was not such a big deal then is like pointing to a fake PhD thesis full of quotes, picking out one quote and saying "see, that is not really that bad". Yeah, a single quote is not that bad. It is the sum of them that makes it bad.
- bildung 5y ago
  > Pointing out the book was not such a big deal then is like pointing to a fake PhD thesis full of quotes, I didn't do that, you mis-inferred that from my post. Funnily enough this is exactly what happened with Baerbocks CV: She didn't "fake" anything there, she e.g. said she studied in Hamburg without saying that she obtained a degree there. And she stated that she was a member of some high profile organisations, which was technically true. In both cases she wasn't lying.
  - notanzaiiswear 5y ago
    "I didn't do that, you mis-inferred that from my post." Well you didn't point out that the book was just a small part of the whole story. "She didn't "fake" anything there" Iirc almost every entry on her CV turned out to suggest something that wasn't actually true. I don't know if it was lying or not. I was actually the first who said it is normal to make a CV look good by certain phrasings and so on. (like if you were a stay at home mom, you describe it as "heading a small family business" and so on). I can imagine her problem was that she didn't realize that she is now a candidate for chancellor of Germany, so different standards apply, and rightfully so. It is absolutely OK to scrutinize a person who applies for the highest German office. Also, againk she doesn't face any legal consequences for her "fakes" or whatever you want to call them. It just isn't a good look given that she wants to project an image of highest qualifications and integrity.

notanzaiiswear 5y ago

Before the book, Baerbock was in trouble for faking her CV, suggesting qualifications she doesn't really have. I don't know what the last word on that was, though. Pointing out the book was not such a big deal then is like pointing to a fake PhD thesis full of quotes, picking out one quote and saying "see, that is not really that bad". Yeah, a single quote is not that bad. It is the sum of them that makes it bad.

bildung 5y ago
> Pointing out the book was not such a big deal then is like pointing to a fake PhD thesis full of quotes, I didn't do that, you mis-inferred that from my post. Funnily enough this is exactly what happened with Baerbocks CV: She didn't "fake" anything there, she e.g. said she studied in Hamburg without saying that she obtained a degree there. And she stated that she was a member of some high profile organisations, which was technically true. In both cases she wasn't lying.
- notanzaiiswear 5y ago
  "I didn't do that, you mis-inferred that from my post." Well you didn't point out that the book was just a small part of the whole story. "She didn't "fake" anything there" Iirc almost every entry on her CV turned out to suggest something that wasn't actually true. I don't know if it was lying or not. I was actually the first who said it is normal to make a CV look good by certain phrasings and so on. (like if you were a stay at home mom, you describe it as "heading a small family business" and so on). I can imagine her problem was that she didn't realize that she is now a candidate for chancellor of Germany, so different standards apply, and rightfully so. It is absolutely OK to scrutinize a person who applies for the highest German office. Also, againk she doesn't face any legal consequences for her "fakes" or whatever you want to call them. It just isn't a good look given that she wants to project an image of highest qualifications and integrity.