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Reminds me of my favorite fiction conspiracy theory: https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/3qvj6w/theory_jar_jar_binks_was_a_trained_force_user/ https://ww

Reminds me of my favorite fiction conspiracy theory: https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/3qvj6w/theory_jar_jar_binks_was_a_trained_force_user/ https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/3qvj6w/theory_jar...

SV_BubbleTime 5y ago
Instead of that which would have been awesome and retconned Jar Jar from embarrassing into a great story of our times… We instead got the first movie redone, and two pretty poor follow ups with grrrrrr fake teeth being the series rock bottom. Ugh, that plot hole of a light speed weapon, the force can’t bring someone back to life but let’s do it like three times, whatever. I’ve forgotten more about the last trilogy than the prequals.
- mlang23 5y ago
  Star Wars has lost me. I loved 4,5,6, and I found 1,2,3 at least exciting to see the story arc closed up. But what came afterwards was pretty much unwatchable. I went to the cinema for Rogue One even, but dont remember a single plot-line. Thats pretty unusual for me, since I uslally remember storylines from movies I watched many years ago. But this stuff just didnt leave any impression at all.
  - jl6 5y ago
    Conventional wisdom says the prequel trilogy was a good story, poorly executed, while the sequel trilogy was a poor story, well executed.
    - cooperadymas 5y ago
      I would call it a poor story, well, executed.
  - mLuby 5y ago
    I'm in your camp too on the Skywalker saga, though I really like Rogue One; definitely worth a rewatch. It's a bit scattered (perhaps a result of the massive pre-release re-edit to which it was apparently subjected) but it has its moments, including possibly the best Star Wars space battle set to film, as well as a visceral depiction of Vader's terrifying power.
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- thih9 5y ago
  > We instead got the first movie redone, and two pretty poor follow ups with grrrrrr fake teeth What do you mean? What fake teeth? Could you elaborate?
  - SV_BubbleTime 5y ago
    https://i.redd.it/5n4plnaub6641.jpg https://i.redd.it/5n4plnaub6641.jpg It was their ham fisted way to show she would turn bad. Sharp teeth and a hisssss. Because we all know being evil changes your teeth so you can consist on your new diet of tearing the raw flesh directly from your enemies. They wanted this https://i.redd.it/sftg7bb41eu01.jpg https://i.redd.it/sftg7bb41eu01.jpg but dirty wouldn’t cut it, needed more, sharp and pointy, because everything in the new movies was made blunt force obvious for “mass appeal”. The whole movie lacked any sort of grace. And let’s not even approach getting started on Finn.
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- Cthulhu_ 5y ago
  It takes away from the other films as well by cheapening the force and the ability to wield it. Luke barely manages to lift some rocks after a lot of training montage, Rei lifts heaps of rocks without formal training. I don't think there's many people that liked the sequels. I can't believe they went in with those gung-ho, without the story fleshed out already. I mean the stakes were incredibly high, billions in revenue for the foreseeable future. It's telling that the secondary things - Rogue One, Mandalorian - are fan favorites instead.
  - hellweaver666 5y ago
    To be fair, Rey turned out to be the grand-daughter of one of the strongest Sith lords of all time. She was probably naturally strong in the force (like Anakin for example). I enjoyed the sequels (but I also enjoy most movies because my super power is the ability to turn off my brain and not over think things).
    - darkerside 5y ago
      Star Wars is impossible to enjoy without a very generous suspension of disbelief, which is why I was practically offended by TLJ. It away full of cynical rug pulls that not only failed to reward, but actively punished, that suspension of disbelief. The first movie hinted at Rey's parents being somebody relevant, and the second movie doubles down on it, only to reveal that Rey was a "nobody" after all. It's like a magician making your $20 bill disappear and it never comes back.
    - vagrantJin 5y ago
      Even if Rey was naturally gifted - the whole idea of her being the granddaughter of a sith lord did not feel like a natural thing. The exposition was horrible. It was as if Rey was a souped up Luke again instead of being Rey. And the audience is not stupid as they thought. The Mandolorian writers must have seen those movies and laughed as they cooked up a potential Star Wars classic.
  - mLuby 5y ago
    > I mean the stakes were incredibly high, billions in revenue for the foreseeable future. That's exactly why the first sequel movie (EpVII: TFA) was so timid; I'm sure it was the most de-risked thing the writers and execs could think of—just a re-skin of the original. > cheapening the force and the ability to wield it… It's telling that the secondary things - Rogue One, Mandalorian - are fan favorites instead. Star Wars suffers from power and stakes creep: Death Star I is a planet-killer; DS2 kills planets and ships: Starkiller Base is a multi-planet killer; every ship in the Exegol fleet is a planet-killer. Force abilities are another example. The Force co-opts any story it touches into one about destiny. And sometimes that's not appropriate, as in tales about rebel troopers or backwater mercenaries. As much as I adored The Child and was excited about Luke's cameo, I'm really glad those two things exited the show, hopefully resetting the stakes at a lower level.
- fho 5y ago
  To be fair that "light speed weapon" scene was incredibly awesome to watch (and "hear"). If I remember anything from that trilogy ... it is that scene.
  - darkerside 5y ago
    Ridiculous that the entire movie was basically a setup for one scene that admittedly looked cool, but also made no sense in the context of the universe. Can't believe they let someone like that steer an American cultural icon into the ground.
    - SketchySeaBeast 5y ago
      > Can't believe they let someone like that I assume you're referring to Rian Johnson - I wouldn't lay the blame all on him - he's clearly capable of making great fun movies. I think the fact that the new trilogy is an incohesive mess is entirely the fault of Disney as a whole not knowing what they wanted to do with it. I'd also lay a ton of the blame at JJ Abraham's feet - the man loves to set up a mystery but seemingly doesn't ever know the answer himself. Rian certainly made some interesting choices, but I can't help but think that it's because he had no roadmap for what was supposed to happen and no one was there to tell him no.
      - darkerside 5y ago
        He asked JJ to make changes to TFA to set up his vision for TLJ. JJ certainly shares blame (TROS was garbage and everybody knows it, including JJ), and the flaws you describe are accurate. But this was RJ's movie, given to him by the executives at Disney, with no interference to speak of. How can you not blame the man with the smoking gun?
        SketchySeaBeast 5y ago
        > He asked JJ to make changes to TFA to set up his vision for TLJ. Do you have articles about that? I hadn't heard about it. It's also surprising considering that JJ didn't do the same back to him, especially with the whole "no, her lineage IS special" thing. Weird power dynamics. > How can you not blame the man with the smoking gun? Because it was all garbage? Honestly, if they'd continued on TLJ's path, I think it would have been a better ending than what actually happened. Maybe they would have changed Star Wars instead of just rehashing the exact same thing again.
- tigerlily 5y ago
  > that plot hole of a light speed weapon Ugh indeed. A ghastly suicide scene in a Disney film, bizarrely glorified and so unbecoming, it was the last thing I expected. If they had to persist with this plot device, it would've been way more appropriate if Leia rocked up with a SOLO autopilot control box: "Commander, that's not how we do things here." "General, I..." "Step aside and lemme wire this thing in will ya? Warm up that transporter in bay 12, we need to bust outta here before this thing fires."
- SuoDuanDao 5y ago
  In my headcanon, the light speed weapon explains why even though we're obviously descended from one of the races in the setting, we don't have spaceships or force powers - once one person got the idea they could use a ship as a suicide nuke, everyone did it, until the only survivors literally had to flee the galaxy and stop using advanced technology. If one views the entire nine-series arc as the story of the fall of a golden age, the last three are actually fairly appropriate, if badly executed.
  - ceejayoz 5y ago
    > the only survivors literally had to flee the galaxy and stop using advanced technology Han Solo enjoyed his new career as a combat archeologist. https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Into_the_Great_Unknown https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Into_the_Great_Unknown
  - psbp 5y ago
    My headcanon is that the maneuver was just a lot harder to accomplish than it's depicted. Distance from other ships, residual shield levels, etc. allow it to be possible but unlikely. They threw in a line in episode 9 that it was 1/million (kind of like the Death Star kill shot). I think it makes the Holdo character more interesting if she has some sort of force intuition or just advanced analytical/risk-taking skills to actually pull it off.
    - Qi_ 5y ago
      I was under the impression the Holdo maneuver was just basic projectile physics: huge projectile with huge velocity. I guess the in-universe explanation isn't that simple.
mlang23 5y ago
Oh, thats neat. Its basically saying Jar Jar is the evil counterpart of Yoda, hiding his true abilities behind a cute appearance.
- scarygliders 5y ago
  Robot Chicken thought the same ;) [0] [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7Uc84U04Sk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7Uc84U04Sk

SV_BubbleTime 5y ago

Instead of that which would have been awesome and retconned Jar Jar from embarrassing into a great story of our times… We instead got the first movie redone, and two pretty poor follow ups with grrrrrr fake teeth being the series rock bottom. Ugh, that plot hole of a light speed weapon, the force can’t bring someone back to life but let’s do it like three times, whatever. I’ve forgotten more about the last trilogy than the prequals.

mlang23 5y ago
Star Wars has lost me. I loved 4,5,6, and I found 1,2,3 at least exciting to see the story arc closed up. But what came afterwards was pretty much unwatchable. I went to the cinema for Rogue One even, but dont remember a single plot-line. Thats pretty unusual for me, since I uslally remember storylines from movies I watched many years ago. But this stuff just didnt leave any impression at all.
- jl6 5y ago
  Conventional wisdom says the prequel trilogy was a good story, poorly executed, while the sequel trilogy was a poor story, well executed.
  - cooperadymas 5y ago
    I would call it a poor story, well, executed.
- mLuby 5y ago
  I'm in your camp too on the Skywalker saga, though I really like Rogue One; definitely worth a rewatch. It's a bit scattered (perhaps a result of the massive pre-release re-edit to which it was apparently subjected) but it has its moments, including possibly the best Star Wars space battle set to film, as well as a visceral depiction of Vader's terrifying power.
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thih9 5y ago
> We instead got the first movie redone, and two pretty poor follow ups with grrrrrr fake teeth What do you mean? What fake teeth? Could you elaborate?
- SV_BubbleTime 5y ago
  https://i.redd.it/5n4plnaub6641.jpg https://i.redd.it/5n4plnaub6641.jpg It was their ham fisted way to show she would turn bad. Sharp teeth and a hisssss. Because we all know being evil changes your teeth so you can consist on your new diet of tearing the raw flesh directly from your enemies. They wanted this https://i.redd.it/sftg7bb41eu01.jpg https://i.redd.it/sftg7bb41eu01.jpg but dirty wouldn’t cut it, needed more, sharp and pointy, because everything in the new movies was made blunt force obvious for “mass appeal”. The whole movie lacked any sort of grace. And let’s not even approach getting started on Finn.
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Cthulhu_ 5y ago
It takes away from the other films as well by cheapening the force and the ability to wield it. Luke barely manages to lift some rocks after a lot of training montage, Rei lifts heaps of rocks without formal training. I don't think there's many people that liked the sequels. I can't believe they went in with those gung-ho, without the story fleshed out already. I mean the stakes were incredibly high, billions in revenue for the foreseeable future. It's telling that the secondary things - Rogue One, Mandalorian - are fan favorites instead.
- hellweaver666 5y ago
  To be fair, Rey turned out to be the grand-daughter of one of the strongest Sith lords of all time. She was probably naturally strong in the force (like Anakin for example). I enjoyed the sequels (but I also enjoy most movies because my super power is the ability to turn off my brain and not over think things).
  - darkerside 5y ago
    Star Wars is impossible to enjoy without a very generous suspension of disbelief, which is why I was practically offended by TLJ. It away full of cynical rug pulls that not only failed to reward, but actively punished, that suspension of disbelief. The first movie hinted at Rey's parents being somebody relevant, and the second movie doubles down on it, only to reveal that Rey was a "nobody" after all. It's like a magician making your $20 bill disappear and it never comes back.
  - vagrantJin 5y ago
    Even if Rey was naturally gifted - the whole idea of her being the granddaughter of a sith lord did not feel like a natural thing. The exposition was horrible. It was as if Rey was a souped up Luke again instead of being Rey. And the audience is not stupid as they thought. The Mandolorian writers must have seen those movies and laughed as they cooked up a potential Star Wars classic.
- mLuby 5y ago
  > I mean the stakes were incredibly high, billions in revenue for the foreseeable future. That's exactly why the first sequel movie (EpVII: TFA) was so timid; I'm sure it was the most de-risked thing the writers and execs could think of—just a re-skin of the original. > cheapening the force and the ability to wield it… It's telling that the secondary things - Rogue One, Mandalorian - are fan favorites instead. Star Wars suffers from power and stakes creep: Death Star I is a planet-killer; DS2 kills planets and ships: Starkiller Base is a multi-planet killer; every ship in the Exegol fleet is a planet-killer. Force abilities are another example. The Force co-opts any story it touches into one about destiny. And sometimes that's not appropriate, as in tales about rebel troopers or backwater mercenaries. As much as I adored The Child and was excited about Luke's cameo, I'm really glad those two things exited the show, hopefully resetting the stakes at a lower level.
fho 5y ago
To be fair that "light speed weapon" scene was incredibly awesome to watch (and "hear"). If I remember anything from that trilogy ... it is that scene.
- darkerside 5y ago
  Ridiculous that the entire movie was basically a setup for one scene that admittedly looked cool, but also made no sense in the context of the universe. Can't believe they let someone like that steer an American cultural icon into the ground.
  - SketchySeaBeast 5y ago
    > Can't believe they let someone like that I assume you're referring to Rian Johnson - I wouldn't lay the blame all on him - he's clearly capable of making great fun movies. I think the fact that the new trilogy is an incohesive mess is entirely the fault of Disney as a whole not knowing what they wanted to do with it. I'd also lay a ton of the blame at JJ Abraham's feet - the man loves to set up a mystery but seemingly doesn't ever know the answer himself. Rian certainly made some interesting choices, but I can't help but think that it's because he had no roadmap for what was supposed to happen and no one was there to tell him no.
    - darkerside 5y ago
      He asked JJ to make changes to TFA to set up his vision for TLJ. JJ certainly shares blame (TROS was garbage and everybody knows it, including JJ), and the flaws you describe are accurate. But this was RJ's movie, given to him by the executives at Disney, with no interference to speak of. How can you not blame the man with the smoking gun?
      - SketchySeaBeast 5y ago
        > He asked JJ to make changes to TFA to set up his vision for TLJ. Do you have articles about that? I hadn't heard about it. It's also surprising considering that JJ didn't do the same back to him, especially with the whole "no, her lineage IS special" thing. Weird power dynamics. > How can you not blame the man with the smoking gun? Because it was all garbage? Honestly, if they'd continued on TLJ's path, I think it would have been a better ending than what actually happened. Maybe they would have changed Star Wars instead of just rehashing the exact same thing again.
tigerlily 5y ago
> that plot hole of a light speed weapon Ugh indeed. A ghastly suicide scene in a Disney film, bizarrely glorified and so unbecoming, it was the last thing I expected. If they had to persist with this plot device, it would've been way more appropriate if Leia rocked up with a SOLO autopilot control box: "Commander, that's not how we do things here." "General, I..." "Step aside and lemme wire this thing in will ya? Warm up that transporter in bay 12, we need to bust outta here before this thing fires."
SuoDuanDao 5y ago
In my headcanon, the light speed weapon explains why even though we're obviously descended from one of the races in the setting, we don't have spaceships or force powers - once one person got the idea they could use a ship as a suicide nuke, everyone did it, until the only survivors literally had to flee the galaxy and stop using advanced technology. If one views the entire nine-series arc as the story of the fall of a golden age, the last three are actually fairly appropriate, if badly executed.
- ceejayoz 5y ago
  > the only survivors literally had to flee the galaxy and stop using advanced technology Han Solo enjoyed his new career as a combat archeologist. https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Into_the_Great_Unknown https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Into_the_Great_Unknown
- psbp 5y ago
  My headcanon is that the maneuver was just a lot harder to accomplish than it's depicted. Distance from other ships, residual shield levels, etc. allow it to be possible but unlikely. They threw in a line in episode 9 that it was 1/million (kind of like the Death Star kill shot). I think it makes the Holdo character more interesting if she has some sort of force intuition or just advanced analytical/risk-taking skills to actually pull it off.
  - Qi_ 5y ago
    I was under the impression the Holdo maneuver was just basic projectile physics: huge projectile with huge velocity. I guess the in-universe explanation isn't that simple.

mlang23 5y ago

Oh, thats neat. Its basically saying Jar Jar is the evil counterpart of Yoda, hiding his true abilities behind a cute appearance.

scarygliders 5y ago
Robot Chicken thought the same ;) [0] [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7Uc84U04Sk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7Uc84U04Sk