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Do you think they'd roll out tyranny in broad daylight without trying to find a convenient excuse with which to fool the gullible? Of course they'll say it's to

Do you think they'd roll out tyranny in broad daylight without trying to find a convenient excuse with which to fool the gullible? Of course they'll say it's to save lives. Just like the "think of the children" laws are always supposedly about protecting children. Like Apple and CSAM being obvious surveillance tools being introduced in the name of protecting children.

hug 5y ago
Deaths per capita in Australia is at 10% of the US. If the US had managed to keep things as low as Australia, there would be just under half a million less deaths. Seriously. Half a million. And for that, you won't stay inside your house for two weeks, because you're worried it's a slippery slope of some sort. What need for me to be gullible to think "I'd rather five hundred thousand less of my countrymen had died this year", and not go out? What need for me to be gullible to think that you should do it to? What need for me to be gullible to look at my government forcing you to do it too and saying "that's a good move"? The quarantine system is quite literally saving lives, and the things that we can do to improve that system should be done. This is not trusting the government, and it's not "ignoring tyranny". It's how society ought to work.
- throwawayfear 5y ago
  We did stay in our house for two weeks. We locked down, and things were pretty locked down around where I'm at. Also, masks work and are freely given anywhere you go to shop. And vaccines are available. And natural immunity works. All these things in conjunction help without authorities building surveillance machines that will never go away. The approach you are taking can be used to justify complete control and arbitrary lockdowns whenever N cases or N deaths for any virus happen. Or for anything that can be construed as a public health crisis, including things not related to viruses. Don't you see that? My heart breaks for any death anywhere. Including the death of a free and normal life. Suicides and depression have skyrocketed. The evidence shows this: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7024e1.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7024e1.htm https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/ludhiana/covid-led-to-spike-in-suicide-cases-experts-309633 https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/ludhiana/covid-led-to-spik... There are no easy answers, and it is not appropriate to beat someone over the head with the numbers of death in response to them calling out the systems of enslavement you are building in Australia. It's clear that your approach is not good for people's mental health, especially for young people. Presumably you still have lockdowns where you can't go more than 5km from your home? And restrictions on what you can be outside for? Do these pandemic deaths justify the emergence of a totalitarian state? No.
  - hug 5y ago
    > The approach you are taking can be used to justify complete control and arbitrary lockdowns whenever N cases or N deaths for any virus happen. Or for anything that can be construed as a public health crisis, including things not related to viruses. Don't you see that? Yeah, I do see that! In fact it's almost like Australia wrote an act about this stuff like 80 years ago that define the criteria and rights and responsibilities of the commonwealth during national emergencies. And it's almost like the pandemic meets those criteria and then we used the powers as written in the act. Almost like this isn't the emergence of a totalitarian state but was the state we lived in all along, or something. > My heart breaks for any death anywhere. Including the death of a free and normal life. Suicides and depression have skyrocketed. [... > ...] And it is not appropriate to beat someone over the head with the numbers of death in response to them calling out the systems of enslavement you are building in Australia. Cognitive dissonance getting to you, yet?
    - dang 5y ago
      You've unfortunately been posting tons of flamewar comments lately, including personal attacks. We ban accounts that do that. I don't want to ban you, so would you please stop? If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful. To prevent misunderstanding: I'm not siding against your views. I've just noticed that you've repeatedly been breaking the site guidelines lately, often egregiously - and this is not something we can allow, regardless of how right you are or feel you are - because it destroys HN for its intended purpose.
      - hug 5y ago
        Fair. I appreciate the warning. I will do my best to be more kind.
        dang 5y ago
        Appreciated!

hug 5y ago

Deaths per capita in Australia is at 10% of the US. If the US had managed to keep things as low as Australia, there would be just under half a million less deaths. Seriously. Half a million. And for that, you won't stay inside your house for two weeks, because you're worried it's a slippery slope of some sort. What need for me to be gullible to think "I'd rather five hundred thousand less of my countrymen had died this year", and not go out? What need for me to be gullible to think that you should do it to? What need for me to be gullible to look at my government forcing you to do it too and saying "that's a good move"? The quarantine system is quite literally saving lives, and the things that we can do to improve that system should be done. This is not trusting the government, and it's not "ignoring tyranny". It's how society ought to work.

throwawayfear 5y ago
We did stay in our house for two weeks. We locked down, and things were pretty locked down around where I'm at. Also, masks work and are freely given anywhere you go to shop. And vaccines are available. And natural immunity works. All these things in conjunction help without authorities building surveillance machines that will never go away. The approach you are taking can be used to justify complete control and arbitrary lockdowns whenever N cases or N deaths for any virus happen. Or for anything that can be construed as a public health crisis, including things not related to viruses. Don't you see that? My heart breaks for any death anywhere. Including the death of a free and normal life. Suicides and depression have skyrocketed. The evidence shows this: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7024e1.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7024e1.htm https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/ludhiana/covid-led-to-spike-in-suicide-cases-experts-309633 https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/ludhiana/covid-led-to-spik... There are no easy answers, and it is not appropriate to beat someone over the head with the numbers of death in response to them calling out the systems of enslavement you are building in Australia. It's clear that your approach is not good for people's mental health, especially for young people. Presumably you still have lockdowns where you can't go more than 5km from your home? And restrictions on what you can be outside for? Do these pandemic deaths justify the emergence of a totalitarian state? No.
- hug 5y ago
  > The approach you are taking can be used to justify complete control and arbitrary lockdowns whenever N cases or N deaths for any virus happen. Or for anything that can be construed as a public health crisis, including things not related to viruses. Don't you see that? Yeah, I do see that! In fact it's almost like Australia wrote an act about this stuff like 80 years ago that define the criteria and rights and responsibilities of the commonwealth during national emergencies. And it's almost like the pandemic meets those criteria and then we used the powers as written in the act. Almost like this isn't the emergence of a totalitarian state but was the state we lived in all along, or something. > My heart breaks for any death anywhere. Including the death of a free and normal life. Suicides and depression have skyrocketed. [... > ...] And it is not appropriate to beat someone over the head with the numbers of death in response to them calling out the systems of enslavement you are building in Australia. Cognitive dissonance getting to you, yet?
  - dang 5y ago
    You've unfortunately been posting tons of flamewar comments lately, including personal attacks. We ban accounts that do that. I don't want to ban you, so would you please stop? If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful. To prevent misunderstanding: I'm not siding against your views. I've just noticed that you've repeatedly been breaking the site guidelines lately, often egregiously - and this is not something we can allow, regardless of how right you are or feel you are - because it destroys HN for its intended purpose.
    - hug 5y ago
      Fair. I appreciate the warning. I will do my best to be more kind.
      - dang 5y ago
        Appreciated!