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Do you consider people with immunity from past infections to be antivaxers? https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater

Do you consider people with immunity from past infections to be antivaxers? https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-on... Do you believe covid is dangerous enough to justify turning Australia into a totalitarian regime where you need to show papers to go anywhere and have constant surveillance even in your own home? Did you know they’re even dangling how many people can visit your home as a carrot? https://theconversation.com/vaccine-passports-are-coming-to-australia-how-will-they-work-and-what-will-you-need-them-for-167531 https://theconversation.com/vaccine-passports-are-coming-to-... “NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian yesterday announced freedoms for fully vaccinated people once 70% of the state’s eligible population are double dosed. These include being able to go to hospitality venues, hairdressers and gyms, and have five people to your home.” Wake up now before it is too late. You’re falling for their us-them division tactic where they get you to hate the “anti vax” until you build the systems of your own enslavement.

hug 5y ago
> Do you consider people with immunity from past infections to be antivaxers? In Australia, for all intents and purposes, yes. Thanks to the terrible "totalitarian regime", less than one percent of our population has yet to catch COVID. We've had even less deaths! It's fuckin' awesome that we've managed to come out of this so well, almost entirely thanks to lockdown. The route out of lockdown, without massively increasing the numbers of preventable deaths, is vaccination. It's simpler and more expedient for me, and the government, to treat all Australians who refuse to get vaccinated (as opposed to being unable to get vaccinated, of course) as either idiots, petulant children, or misled and out of touch with reality. Either way, I appreciate that the carrot & sometimes the stick is necessary to force people to abide by the laws of their society. Just like it's not your choice to drink and drive, it's not really your choice not to get vaccinated while participating in Australian society. These are the norms that the majority of our country believe in. If you don't want to get vaccinated, don't participate. Go find a community of like-minded rugged individualists somewhere. Move to Texas, maybe. (Sorry, Texans.) > You’re falling for their us-them division tactic where they get you to hate the “anti vax” until you build the systems of your own enslavement. Nah, I already harboured a great deal of spite for anti-vax idiots prior to COVID, didn't need any help from the government. ... And all that said, if the government doesn't remove restrictions once we reach 80% vaccinated and more, I will be fighting those governments tooth and nail. But we're not there yet.
- throwawayfear 5y ago
  The law of gravity isn't different in Australia, and neither is 2+2. People with immunity from past covid have excellent protection, maybe even better than that from vaccination. To treat them as "antivaxers"..."in Australia, for all intents and purposes" and to then later label these people as "idiots, petulant children, or misled and out of touch with reality" is one hop and a skip away from dehumanizing them and justifying even worse. You need to say what you are typing out loud because you are caught up in the feel-good tribalism of debating partisan issues online. When in reality, there are multiple legitimate reasons to not bend the knee including past infection. It's interesting that you chide others for being out of touch with reality and yet you ignore the reality that past infection offers equal or better protection as mentioned by that source I gave you in the parent post. But in any case, the very last sentence of your post is both refreshing AND alarming. You said: "And all that said, if the government doesn't remove restrictions once we reach 80% vaccinated and more, I will be fighting those governments tooth and nail. But we're not there yet." Refreshing because at least you still seem to have some amount of reason left, but alarming because you don't seem to realize that by then, it's going to be too late. You'll end up enslaved because you fell for the "hate the antivaxers" ploy and picked it as your tribal narrative of choice so you could feel good while arguing with people online. Even though the science is unequivocal that immunity from past infection is excellent. You may also be interested in this information that is emerging: "US researchers say teenagers are more likely to get vaccine-related myocarditis than end up in hospital with Covid" https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/10/boys-more-at-risk-from-pfizer-jab-side-effect-than-covid-suggests-study https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/10/boys-more-at-r... What now? You really think people reading this information are petulant children for choosing caution and simultaneously not wanting a totalitarian regime monitoring them and building systems of enslavement? Realize that power consolidates. They will not need to remove these restrictions once you reach some threshold. Who will make them and how? By then more people will be trained to hate others and defend more. Realize that giving a government that kind of power is dangerous.
  - hug 5y ago
    The entire first half of your comment is hilariously uninformed. You have absolutely no idea about the impacts of COVID on Australia and it bleeds out of everything you're saying. You arguing that past infections should mean something to me is the "out of touch with reality" bit. > It's interesting that you chide others for being out of touch with reality and yet you ignore the reality that past infection offers equal or better protection This is completely meaningless to Australia. Just 0.002% of the Australian population has had COVID. Past-infection protection is not an area of interest to me or the government of my country, because as a cohort, those people just don't really exist here... Mostly because of our wacky policies of trying to make sure our populace doesn't get infected by doing things like hotel quarantine. As for the second bit, about children possibly having issues with the vaccine: It might be worth pointing out here that children in that study aren't a part of the current Australian government push for vaccination. The target is for over-16s only. Should we wait before pushing for the under-16s to get vaccinated? Absolutely! Does that prove you right in absolutely any way? Nope! You might as well start telling me that Australia shouldn't introduce gun control.
dane-pgp 5y ago
> build the systems of your own enslavement. That reminds me of an old web-based puzzle game, where you had to carry around CCTV cameras to make sure you are always being recorded. At one point, the protagonist, in a moment of self-awareness, says something very profound that has stuck with me ever since: "If I am complicit in my own surveillance, does that mean I'm hiding from myself?" Can anyone remember the name of this game?

hug 5y ago

> Do you consider people with immunity from past infections to be antivaxers? In Australia, for all intents and purposes, yes. Thanks to the terrible "totalitarian regime", less than one percent of our population has yet to catch COVID. We've had even less deaths! It's fuckin' awesome that we've managed to come out of this so well, almost entirely thanks to lockdown. The route out of lockdown, without massively increasing the numbers of preventable deaths, is vaccination. It's simpler and more expedient for me, and the government, to treat all Australians who refuse to get vaccinated (as opposed to being unable to get vaccinated, of course) as either idiots, petulant children, or misled and out of touch with reality. Either way, I appreciate that the carrot & sometimes the stick is necessary to force people to abide by the laws of their society. Just like it's not your choice to drink and drive, it's not really your choice not to get vaccinated while participating in Australian society. These are the norms that the majority of our country believe in. If you don't want to get vaccinated, don't participate. Go find a community of like-minded rugged individualists somewhere. Move to Texas, maybe. (Sorry, Texans.) > You’re falling for their us-them division tactic where they get you to hate the “anti vax” until you build the systems of your own enslavement. Nah, I already harboured a great deal of spite for anti-vax idiots prior to COVID, didn't need any help from the government. ... And all that said, if the government doesn't remove restrictions once we reach 80% vaccinated and more, I will be fighting those governments tooth and nail. But we're not there yet.

throwawayfear 5y ago
The law of gravity isn't different in Australia, and neither is 2+2. People with immunity from past covid have excellent protection, maybe even better than that from vaccination. To treat them as "antivaxers"..."in Australia, for all intents and purposes" and to then later label these people as "idiots, petulant children, or misled and out of touch with reality" is one hop and a skip away from dehumanizing them and justifying even worse. You need to say what you are typing out loud because you are caught up in the feel-good tribalism of debating partisan issues online. When in reality, there are multiple legitimate reasons to not bend the knee including past infection. It's interesting that you chide others for being out of touch with reality and yet you ignore the reality that past infection offers equal or better protection as mentioned by that source I gave you in the parent post. But in any case, the very last sentence of your post is both refreshing AND alarming. You said: "And all that said, if the government doesn't remove restrictions once we reach 80% vaccinated and more, I will be fighting those governments tooth and nail. But we're not there yet." Refreshing because at least you still seem to have some amount of reason left, but alarming because you don't seem to realize that by then, it's going to be too late. You'll end up enslaved because you fell for the "hate the antivaxers" ploy and picked it as your tribal narrative of choice so you could feel good while arguing with people online. Even though the science is unequivocal that immunity from past infection is excellent. You may also be interested in this information that is emerging: "US researchers say teenagers are more likely to get vaccine-related myocarditis than end up in hospital with Covid" https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/10/boys-more-at-risk-from-pfizer-jab-side-effect-than-covid-suggests-study https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/10/boys-more-at-r... What now? You really think people reading this information are petulant children for choosing caution and simultaneously not wanting a totalitarian regime monitoring them and building systems of enslavement? Realize that power consolidates. They will not need to remove these restrictions once you reach some threshold. Who will make them and how? By then more people will be trained to hate others and defend more. Realize that giving a government that kind of power is dangerous.
- hug 5y ago
  The entire first half of your comment is hilariously uninformed. You have absolutely no idea about the impacts of COVID on Australia and it bleeds out of everything you're saying. You arguing that past infections should mean something to me is the "out of touch with reality" bit. > It's interesting that you chide others for being out of touch with reality and yet you ignore the reality that past infection offers equal or better protection This is completely meaningless to Australia. Just 0.002% of the Australian population has had COVID. Past-infection protection is not an area of interest to me or the government of my country, because as a cohort, those people just don't really exist here... Mostly because of our wacky policies of trying to make sure our populace doesn't get infected by doing things like hotel quarantine. As for the second bit, about children possibly having issues with the vaccine: It might be worth pointing out here that children in that study aren't a part of the current Australian government push for vaccination. The target is for over-16s only. Should we wait before pushing for the under-16s to get vaccinated? Absolutely! Does that prove you right in absolutely any way? Nope! You might as well start telling me that Australia shouldn't introduce gun control.

dane-pgp 5y ago

> build the systems of your own enslavement. That reminds me of an old web-based puzzle game, where you had to carry around CCTV cameras to make sure you are always being recorded. At one point, the protagonist, in a moment of self-awareness, says something very profound that has stuck with me ever since: "If I am complicit in my own surveillance, does that mean I'm hiding from myself?" Can anyone remember the name of this game?