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I'm vaccinated now so I have no reason to quit, but I was entirely willing to before I got a dose. It is not acceptable for anyone to force a medical procedure

I'm vaccinated now so I have no reason to quit, but I was entirely willing to before I got a dose. It is not acceptable for anyone to force a medical procedure upon you. To that, some would retort "then surely everybody else should have the option to exclude you?". No, this is coercion. I don't know how this is even an argument. There is disturbing trend upwards in infringement on people's rights. It feels like almost daily we have a thread on HN about another Big Tech company heinously infringing on privacy. Now some are saying we need to bribe people with keeping their jobs to do something they might not be willing to do? Horrifying.

xyzzy_plugh 5y ago
How privileged you are. My last two Visas had multiple vaccine requirements. Prove I'm vaccinated, get vaccinated, or lose my job. This isn't anything new for a lot of people.
- c7DJTLrn 5y ago
  Your situation is different. If you require a visa, you are by definition a guest in another country. It isn't the hosts' responsibility to take care of you if you fall ill. You have the choice to stay or leave. Citizens on the other hand don't really have any options. Being unemployed isn't an option. Nor is becoming a citizen of another country for most.
- bargl 5y ago
  When I went overseas from the USA to another country I had to get vaccinated as well. It's required. That's different. I'm neither agreeing or disagreeing with either point here, I'd just like to point out that it is different.
mplanchard 5y ago
Just because there haven’t been new vaccine mandates in your lifetime doesn’t mean they’re a new or unprecedented idea. I say new because anyone who attended a school has very likely already been subject to vaccine mandates for diseases we don’t see as much anymore, so it’s only the introduction of a new mandate that presumably may seem unprecedented.
- c7DJTLrn 5y ago
  In the UK, I've never had to prove vaccination of any kind. From my perspective, these "mandates" have never existed before.
  - boulos 5y ago
    Good to know! [1] > Vaccines offered through the national immunisation programme in the UK are not mandatory. Which is probably why measles is not/no longer eradicated in the UK: > In August 2019, the WHO’s European Regional Verification Commission for Measles and Rubella Elimination (RVC) determined the UK had lost its measles elimination status. But still useful to get a non-US perspective. (It's easy to forget how policies differ, worldwide) [1] https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9076/ https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-...
- swiley 5y ago
  Mandated vaccines for a bad cold are new. This isn’t polio. Not to mention the vaccines are orders of magnitude more deadly than all the previous ones combined.
  - bigcorp-slave 5y ago
    Polio is actually a very good analogy. Only in about 0.5% of cases does it affect the nervous system. Only in at most 30% of that 0.5% is it fatal. In 70% of infections it is asymptomatic. COVID is actually very much like polio. And the vaccines aren’t deadly - this is just misinformation.
- odshoifsdhfs 5y ago
  Just because you haven't been to jail for abortion in your lifetime, doesn't mean it is new or unprecedented idea. So let the Texas law run free and expand to other states. Before Roe vs Wade it was illegal, so there is a precedent to make it so again right? Is this the logic? Same with slaves, it used to be ok and legal, so no worries about me keeping some haitians working at home and whip them if they misbehave. Remember, there is precedence after all.

xyzzy_plugh 5y ago

How privileged you are. My last two Visas had multiple vaccine requirements. Prove I'm vaccinated, get vaccinated, or lose my job. This isn't anything new for a lot of people.

c7DJTLrn 5y ago
Your situation is different. If you require a visa, you are by definition a guest in another country. It isn't the hosts' responsibility to take care of you if you fall ill. You have the choice to stay or leave. Citizens on the other hand don't really have any options. Being unemployed isn't an option. Nor is becoming a citizen of another country for most.
bargl 5y ago
When I went overseas from the USA to another country I had to get vaccinated as well. It's required. That's different. I'm neither agreeing or disagreeing with either point here, I'd just like to point out that it is different.

mplanchard 5y ago

Just because there haven’t been new vaccine mandates in your lifetime doesn’t mean they’re a new or unprecedented idea. I say new because anyone who attended a school has very likely already been subject to vaccine mandates for diseases we don’t see as much anymore, so it’s only the introduction of a new mandate that presumably may seem unprecedented.

c7DJTLrn 5y ago
In the UK, I've never had to prove vaccination of any kind. From my perspective, these "mandates" have never existed before.
- boulos 5y ago
  Good to know! [1] > Vaccines offered through the national immunisation programme in the UK are not mandatory. Which is probably why measles is not/no longer eradicated in the UK: > In August 2019, the WHO’s European Regional Verification Commission for Measles and Rubella Elimination (RVC) determined the UK had lost its measles elimination status. But still useful to get a non-US perspective. (It's easy to forget how policies differ, worldwide) [1] https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9076/ https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-...
swiley 5y ago
Mandated vaccines for a bad cold are new. This isn’t polio. Not to mention the vaccines are orders of magnitude more deadly than all the previous ones combined.
- bigcorp-slave 5y ago
  Polio is actually a very good analogy. Only in about 0.5% of cases does it affect the nervous system. Only in at most 30% of that 0.5% is it fatal. In 70% of infections it is asymptomatic. COVID is actually very much like polio. And the vaccines aren’t deadly - this is just misinformation.
odshoifsdhfs 5y ago
Just because you haven't been to jail for abortion in your lifetime, doesn't mean it is new or unprecedented idea. So let the Texas law run free and expand to other states. Before Roe vs Wade it was illegal, so there is a precedent to make it so again right? Is this the logic? Same with slaves, it used to be ok and legal, so no worries about me keeping some haitians working at home and whip them if they misbehave. Remember, there is precedence after all.