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The people aren’t to blame for an extreme government overreach.

jp0d 5y ago
I think people like these deserve to be locked up! Either that or put a tracker on these people. I'm not saying that about all Covid positive people but just some of these extremely selfish pricks.
megablast 5y ago
Yeah? What should the gov do in a health emergency?
shkkmo 5y ago
> Downloading and using the G2G app is voluntary in WA, but the Government encourages people to use it, claiming it “keeps you safe and the rest of the community safe while freeing up more police resources that would otherwise be undertaking more regular physical checks”. Where is the overreach in a voluntary app that people are encouraged to use to save the government resources?
FridgeSeal 5y ago
So we’re supposed to just sit around and let infectious people roam around the community (putting everyone’s health and safety at risk) because they didn’t do as politely asked? We had Katie Hopkins here earlier in the year bragging about how she was going to deliberately break quarantine etc etc. If people aren’t going to follow a reasonable precaution, this far into a pandemic, then I have little sympathy when harsher measures are employed.
- throwawayfear 5y ago
  Take a step back and think critically about what you are saying and what kind of system you are building. You are building a system of enslavement. You will not be able to go anywhere or do anything except without the arbitrary permission from authorities who don’t care about you. This pandemic is nowhere near that dangerous to justify this. Where do you draw the line? When you can’t shop in the grocery store unless you accept public health treatments without question? When they’ve dehumanized people enough that you tolerate surveilling them in those quarantine “hotels” “until they choose to comply with public health safety laws?” The slope is slippery and you are sliding into hell. Time to stop being tribal or partisan about sticking it to the “anti vaxers” and start thinking about the system that is being built.
  - FridgeSeal 5y ago
    Is the number after your throwaway name a counter of all the accounts you’ve had to create because they keep getting removed for saying silly stuff like this?
    - throwawayfear 5y ago
      I have never had an account here removed or reprimanded, and I’ve always lurked. I’ve made a single-digit number of accounts over the years, but hardly post(ed). I am posting far outside my comfort zone because the alarm bells are ringing. Everything about this situation is getting more and more terrible the longer it is allowed to continue. I would prefer to lurk and not talk. Like before.
hilbert42 5y ago
I hate this and it's gross government overreach but it's those few bastards who've deliberately and surreptitiously defied quarantine that's given the government the excuse it needs to so act. Unlike the US, COVID was essentially controlled in Australia until some very specific violations of quarantine happened - and the outbreak traced to these violators. These outbreaks weren't of iffy origin, they were clearcut linked to these perpetrators. In an era where governments everywhere are going authoritarian it only takes something like this to be used as an excuse. The trouble is there'll be little complaint from the public as everyone is aware of the causal link to the outbreaks - and the Australian public, like bloody-minded sheep, is too easily spooked when governments crack the whip. Unfortunately, Australia is a very conservative country and the vast majority of its citizens do what they're told without question even when government makes crazy decisions, so we've a double-whammy problem/excuse when a few people go feral.
- jp0d 5y ago
  Totally agree with you on this one. Nobody really wants the govt to abuse their power to implement such measures. However, those few bastards are the reason why we all are having to suffer! If we all could agree and limit our movements until the vaccines targets are met, the death and hospitalisation rates should drop, statistically speaking! Violations like this are quite rampant in some suburbs/communities! One of my mates was at a takeaway food place in Craigieburn and an entire family of 5 with no masks had gathered behind him and were almost within a few centimetres. The guy got quite aggro when confronted by my mate! This is just getting mental!
- tosstoyevsky 5y ago
  At what point do you kill those that dare live their lives? This happened a generation ago to my people, they said we carried typhus and needed to be cleansed for the public health. Never again, huh?
  - jp0d 5y ago
    That's not a good argument or a fair comparison, mate! One is a highly infectious disease that is spreading through contact and via air and the other is history! Covid has killed more than a million people and is continuing to do so as it mutates to get deadlier and deadlier. Please don't tell me that it's a lie and a conspiracy theory as I've lost family members to this engineered microscopic monstrosity!

jp0d 5y ago

I think people like these deserve to be locked up! Either that or put a tracker on these people. I'm not saying that about all Covid positive people but just some of these extremely selfish pricks.

megablast 5y ago

Yeah? What should the gov do in a health emergency?

shkkmo 5y ago

> Downloading and using the G2G app is voluntary in WA, but the Government encourages people to use it, claiming it “keeps you safe and the rest of the community safe while freeing up more police resources that would otherwise be undertaking more regular physical checks”. Where is the overreach in a voluntary app that people are encouraged to use to save the government resources?

FridgeSeal 5y ago

So we’re supposed to just sit around and let infectious people roam around the community (putting everyone’s health and safety at risk) because they didn’t do as politely asked? We had Katie Hopkins here earlier in the year bragging about how she was going to deliberately break quarantine etc etc. If people aren’t going to follow a reasonable precaution, this far into a pandemic, then I have little sympathy when harsher measures are employed.

throwawayfear 5y ago
Take a step back and think critically about what you are saying and what kind of system you are building. You are building a system of enslavement. You will not be able to go anywhere or do anything except without the arbitrary permission from authorities who don’t care about you. This pandemic is nowhere near that dangerous to justify this. Where do you draw the line? When you can’t shop in the grocery store unless you accept public health treatments without question? When they’ve dehumanized people enough that you tolerate surveilling them in those quarantine “hotels” “until they choose to comply with public health safety laws?” The slope is slippery and you are sliding into hell. Time to stop being tribal or partisan about sticking it to the “anti vaxers” and start thinking about the system that is being built.
- FridgeSeal 5y ago
  Is the number after your throwaway name a counter of all the accounts you’ve had to create because they keep getting removed for saying silly stuff like this?
  - throwawayfear 5y ago
    I have never had an account here removed or reprimanded, and I’ve always lurked. I’ve made a single-digit number of accounts over the years, but hardly post(ed). I am posting far outside my comfort zone because the alarm bells are ringing. Everything about this situation is getting more and more terrible the longer it is allowed to continue. I would prefer to lurk and not talk. Like before.

hilbert42 5y ago

I hate this and it's gross government overreach but it's those few bastards who've deliberately and surreptitiously defied quarantine that's given the government the excuse it needs to so act. Unlike the US, COVID was essentially controlled in Australia until some very specific violations of quarantine happened - and the outbreak traced to these violators. These outbreaks weren't of iffy origin, they were clearcut linked to these perpetrators. In an era where governments everywhere are going authoritarian it only takes something like this to be used as an excuse. The trouble is there'll be little complaint from the public as everyone is aware of the causal link to the outbreaks - and the Australian public, like bloody-minded sheep, is too easily spooked when governments crack the whip. Unfortunately, Australia is a very conservative country and the vast majority of its citizens do what they're told without question even when government makes crazy decisions, so we've a double-whammy problem/excuse when a few people go feral.

jp0d 5y ago
Totally agree with you on this one. Nobody really wants the govt to abuse their power to implement such measures. However, those few bastards are the reason why we all are having to suffer! If we all could agree and limit our movements until the vaccines targets are met, the death and hospitalisation rates should drop, statistically speaking! Violations like this are quite rampant in some suburbs/communities! One of my mates was at a takeaway food place in Craigieburn and an entire family of 5 with no masks had gathered behind him and were almost within a few centimetres. The guy got quite aggro when confronted by my mate! This is just getting mental!
tosstoyevsky 5y ago
At what point do you kill those that dare live their lives? This happened a generation ago to my people, they said we carried typhus and needed to be cleansed for the public health. Never again, huh?
- jp0d 5y ago
  That's not a good argument or a fair comparison, mate! One is a highly infectious disease that is spreading through contact and via air and the other is history! Covid has killed more than a million people and is continuing to do so as it mutates to get deadlier and deadlier. Please don't tell me that it's a lie and a conspiracy theory as I've lost family members to this engineered microscopic monstrosity!