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Please, I would love to convert my Jag to electricity. This is the future. But reality is that aside from tech sector, people cannot afford buying a new electri

by nbzso 5y ago

Please, I would love to convert my Jag to electricity. This is the future. But reality is that aside from tech sector, people cannot afford buying a new electric car. End countries from EU with high standard of living are not the example. "Banning" cannot solve the problem. Transportation is affecting prices of goods. There is no magic bullet. You cannot shut down economy like that. I still don't understand why there is not global initiative for synthetic fuel. Only Porsche and Siemens are thinking clearly. We have a proven way to transit to electric cars and build adequate architecture.

justinator 5y ago
I think the overlap of those who can afford a Jaguar and those who can afford an electric car is pretty great. But I also think the overlap of those who can afford a Jaguar and absolutely don't give a shit about the poor, or the environment or anything else is also great. And the latter is the problem.
- nbzso 5y ago
  My Jag is second hand classic. I use it mainly in the summer for short trips. My daily is hybrid. But this is not the point. The point is that we have to find a way to optimize ideas and legislation towards reality, not towards some dream world. Legislation or not, to have electrical infrastructure and accessibility in place, combined with synthetic fuel will solve the problem.
  - octodog 5y ago
    What do you mean by synthetic fuel? And why do you see it as necessary or more practical than electric vehicles?
    - nbzso 5y ago
      The problem nowadays is that pragmatism and conservatism are a victim of popular propaganda and emotional overreactions. My theory about this is based on economic and societal differences between countries. In high developed countries, with functioning or semi-functioning social security systems, people can afford to think more liberally even in socialistic views. For underdeveloped countries, especially Eastern Europe this way of thinking is form of luxury. We have lived trough transformation from communistic regimes towards capitalism and payed the high price. Some of us emigrated and created something out of nothing. We are hardworking and ambitious and with this fight comes realistic and conservative view of the world. https://www.bosch.com/stories/synthetic-fuels/ https://www.bosch.com/stories/synthetic-fuels/
acdha 5y ago
> But reality is that aside from tech sector, people cannot afford buying a new electric car. Here in the United States, EVs start around $24k. That's not nothing but it's half the price of the trucks and SUVs millions of people buy mostly for aesthetic reasons and, more importantly, it's about what the average car owner spends over a 2-3 year period when you include all of the costs: not just the vehicle but fuel, insurance, maintenance, parking — and those are just the direct costs, not including taxes, medical costs, and the higher prices everyone pays for housing and shopping in order to subsidize car users. If that's a significant burden for anyone, it's far more cost effective to invest in transit, pedestrian, and bike infrastructure since those options are much cheaper and also healthier.

by nbzso 5y ago

justinator 5y ago

I think the overlap of those who can afford a Jaguar and those who can afford an electric car is pretty great. But I also think the overlap of those who can afford a Jaguar and absolutely don't give a shit about the poor, or the environment or anything else is also great. And the latter is the problem.

nbzso 5y ago
My Jag is second hand classic. I use it mainly in the summer for short trips. My daily is hybrid. But this is not the point. The point is that we have to find a way to optimize ideas and legislation towards reality, not towards some dream world. Legislation or not, to have electrical infrastructure and accessibility in place, combined with synthetic fuel will solve the problem.
- octodog 5y ago
  What do you mean by synthetic fuel? And why do you see it as necessary or more practical than electric vehicles?
  - nbzso 5y ago
    The problem nowadays is that pragmatism and conservatism are a victim of popular propaganda and emotional overreactions. My theory about this is based on economic and societal differences between countries. In high developed countries, with functioning or semi-functioning social security systems, people can afford to think more liberally even in socialistic views. For underdeveloped countries, especially Eastern Europe this way of thinking is form of luxury. We have lived trough transformation from communistic regimes towards capitalism and payed the high price. Some of us emigrated and created something out of nothing. We are hardworking and ambitious and with this fight comes realistic and conservative view of the world. https://www.bosch.com/stories/synthetic-fuels/ https://www.bosch.com/stories/synthetic-fuels/

acdha 5y ago

> But reality is that aside from tech sector, people cannot afford buying a new electric car. Here in the United States, EVs start around $24k. That's not nothing but it's half the price of the trucks and SUVs millions of people buy mostly for aesthetic reasons and, more importantly, it's about what the average car owner spends over a 2-3 year period when you include all of the costs: not just the vehicle but fuel, insurance, maintenance, parking — and those are just the direct costs, not including taxes, medical costs, and the higher prices everyone pays for housing and shopping in order to subsidize car users. If that's a significant burden for anyone, it's far more cost effective to invest in transit, pedestrian, and bike infrastructure since those options are much cheaper and also healthier.