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Poll: Covid Vaccine Mandate in Tech
Do you know someone who claims they will quit their tech job over the vaccine mandates?
- version_five 5y agoIsn't your poll mostly gathering data about what kind of friends people have? You could have asked people directly - will you quit, do you disagree but it's not your hill to die on, do you agree
- paulddraper 5y agoYes, but the author has presumed the % will be very low and perhaps beyond detection. So can we at least get to "I know someone" ?
- Rd6n6 5y agoI think the people who would reply yes are afraid of getting attacked. I have my shots but the few people I know who don’t are getting yelled at everywhere they go (one has a medical reason, the others are citing dubious religious reasons)
- ev1 5y agoI don't think I've seen a single person with a legitimate medical reason get attacked here. At least in my neck of the woods everyone is understanding if you can't get it due to a real reason and not when you're presenting a fake printed card from the "freedom to breathe agency"
- odshoifsdhfs 5y agoI work remotely even before Covid. I am also vaccinated. I would quit if this was mandated on me. My country already has vaccine 'passports' for certain activities, and while I am fully vaccinated and support vaccines in general, I fully oppose vaccine mandates/passports and refuse to do any activity that requires it. I guess if in the future to go to the supermarket to buy food I might show my passport as the alternative is to starve, I am 100% against this and will as much as I can, remove myself from civilisation if this the path we move towards to. (ps: also no FB, IG, twitter, bla bla blah before someone says X or Y are tracking me already)
- tmh88j 5y agohttps://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/09/us/politics/vaccine-mandates-history.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/09/us/politics/vaccine-manda...
- odshoifsdhfs 5y agoI am not american so not sure why this reply is supposed to mean anything. While highly encouraged, vaccines aren't even mandatory here and you can refuse any vaccine and still legally allowed to do anything (school, university, healthcare worker, etc)
- ghaff 5y agoThey are in the US and pre-COVID many schools and occupations (esp. healthcare) had requirements as well.
- tmh88j 5y ago>I am not american so not sure why this reply is supposed to mean anything. Does not being American affect your ability to read? I'm not Asian but I understand why many cultures have long ago adopted the widespread use of masks to prevent spreading illness.
- odshoifsdhfs 5y agoNo, it hasn't, but just posting an article how in the US before there was a vaccine mandate adds nothing to the discussion. Many countries never had them (and the world isn't only the US), and even if the US or other country has done this before, doesn't mean it is right to do so now.
- tmh88j 5y ago>No, it hasn't, but just posting an article how in the US before there was a vaccine mandate adds nothing to the discussion Of course it doesn't further the discussion when you refuse to acknowledge it in the first place. I'll just copy and paste what I wrote again because you ignored it the first time. >Does not being American affect your ability to read? I'm not Asian but I understand why many cultures have long ago adopted the widespread use of masks to prevent spreading illness.
- SpikeDad 5y agoPoll is irrelevant. Tech workers should get vaccinated regardless of an mandates. And they should lobby their company to install a vaccine mandate if they're under 100 employees (the federal/OSHA mandate will handle 100 or over). There is no reason whatsoever to not get vaccinated except under very very very limited circumstances and those folks should be working from home.
- paulddraper 5y ago> There is no reason whatsoever Said in the forum where half of it boycotts Google because they don't like something or other it's done. If you think Google has done something boycott-worthy, oh boy will you be interested in drug manufacturers.
- Wowfunhappy 5y agoI agree†, but the poll is still interesting. † Although I think under those limited circumstances, the affected should be able to make their own choices about what is important to them in life, since they are the ones most at risk anyway.
- swiley 5y agoWe’re all remote you absolute retard.
- criticaltinker 5y ago> here is no reason whatsoever to not get vaccinated except under very very very limited circumstances Do those limited circumstances include: 1) individuals with immunity acquired through previous infection? 2) the need to prioritize other individuals who have not been vaccinated once already? 3) vaccine resistance - i.e. in populations with dominant variants that to continue to evolve substantial resistance to current formulations? 4) vulnerable sub-populations (ie children & pregnant women) that have not yet participated in any long-term or large-scale clinical trials?
- goldforever 5y agoI'll say it, "You're a dumbass".
- hall0ween 5y agoNo
- c7DJTLrn 5y agoI'm vaccinated now so I have no reason to quit, but I was entirely willing to before I got a dose. It is not acceptable for anyone to force a medical procedure upon you. To that, some would retort "then surely everybody else should have the option to exclude you?". No, this is coercion. I don't know how this is even an argument. There is disturbing trend upwards in infringement on people's rights. It feels like almost daily we have a thread on HN about another Big Tech company heinously infringing on privacy. Now some are saying we need to bribe people with keeping their jobs to do something they might not be willing to do? Horrifying.
- xyzzy_plugh 5y agoHow privileged you are. My last two Visas had multiple vaccine requirements. Prove I'm vaccinated, get vaccinated, or lose my job. This isn't anything new for a lot of people.
- c7DJTLrn 5y agoYour situation is different. If you require a visa, you are by definition a guest in another country. It isn't the hosts' responsibility to take care of you if you fall ill. You have the choice to stay or leave. Citizens on the other hand don't really have any options. Being unemployed isn't an option. Nor is becoming a citizen of another country for most.
- bargl 5y agoWhen I went overseas from the USA to another country I had to get vaccinated as well. It's required. That's different. I'm neither agreeing or disagreeing with either point here, I'd just like to point out that it is different.
- mplanchard 5y agoJust because there haven’t been new vaccine mandates in your lifetime doesn’t mean they’re a new or unprecedented idea. I say new because anyone who attended a school has very likely already been subject to vaccine mandates for diseases we don’t see as much anymore, so it’s only the introduction of a new mandate that presumably may seem unprecedented.
- xyzzy_plugh 5y agoI've seen vaccine requirements in multiple software engineer contracts in the last few months. Mandate or not, if I'm going into an office, I don't want to work with people who are willing to expose me and my family to unnecessary risk.
- stmfreak 5y agoThen get vaccinated and don’t worry about it.
- arglebarglegar 5y agovaccinated people can still spread it to their family (kids still can’t get vaccinated), also note breakthrough infections. I live with an immunocompromised person so I won’t take the risk, if the vaccine isn’t mandated I wont go.
- esalman 5y agoIt does not work like that. I suggest reading up on some network science literature on spreading phenomena. Here's a start: http://networksciencebook.com/chapter/10#immunization http://networksciencebook.com/chapter/10#immunization
- jimmaswell 5y agoIn this case it depends on their family's specific risk profiles.
- spartanatreyu 5y agoThis is a terrible way to look at things. Just because you're vaccinated doesn't mean you can't catch and spread covid further. It just means that you probably won't need to go to the hospital when you catch it.
- version_five 5y agoIt's funny if you step back from it and imagine the same conversation 10 years ago: A: I don't want to go anywhere that someone might not be vaccinated against Covid-09 B: why dont you just get the vaccine? A: well it's not a "vaccine" vaccine, you can still get it and spread it if you get vaccinated. So everybody should get vaccinated, and shouldn't be allowed near me if they're not. B: ? --- I know and understand the counterpoints to this, I'm just pointing out how it might sound to someone whose capacity for reason hasn't been short-circuited yet
- swiley 5y agoI’ll quit but I’m waiting to be asked I’m not announcing it to my teammates. Only one knows I’m not vaccinated because I keep political things to myself (which is beginning to look like a mistake.) After our traitor of a president gave us the finger on Thursday I wouldn’t submit proof even if I were vaccinated on principle alone.
- bostonsre 5y agoHow do you feel about requiring children to get vaccinations for stuff like polio in order for them to attend school? Is a mandate for a covid vaccine similar or different in your eyes? And if different, why?
- paulddraper 5y agoI personally feel the same about both. But I wouldn't be surprised if some did; polio infection is far more serious than COVID-19, polio vaccine had proven efficacy for many years before becoming required. It's hard to even find the #s for COVID-19 vaccine efficacy. (What are they?)
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- swiley 5y agoThere’s no liability, they can mess up all they want and we just suffer for it.
- Mountain_Skies 5y agoWhy no option for I don't stick my nose into my co-worker's medical decisions? We're all remote and have been for years before the pandemic. For people like us, our co-worker's vaccination status is not relevant.
- hoten 5y agoThat's option 3.
- Rd6n6 5y agoI have a friend who is both high risk and also severely allergic to the current vaccines. When he gets told to go back to his non tech job, I don’t know what he’s going to do. He’s pretty stressed
- swiley 5y agoWe’re running out of options other than violence.
- boulos 5y agoYour friend would qualify for an exemption. Rare groups that are "not able" (or not recommended) to take the vaccine can file paperwork for an exemption. That's been the requirement for the law / guidance since the beginning.
- ghaff 5y agoOr weekly tests if the company provides for that.
- boulos 5y agoThat's part of the exemption process: you still need to prove that you aren't likely to have covid.
- Rd6n6 5y agoWell, he’s not allowed to travel to several places already that don’t offer exceptions. I can find a dozen news stories where agencies and companies brag about their zero exception policies
- boulos 5y agoI believe that the bragging about "no exceptions" means no exceptions on the basis of "I prefer not to" (including "I prefer not to submit proof of vaccination"). Given that even Fox News has articles about making sure the exemptions aren't abused [1] (instead of claiming they aren't exemptions), he should be fine at his employer. It's not clear what the rules are for travel and so on, but this thread is about mandates for employment. [1] https://www.foxnews.com/health/surgeon-general-monitor-vaccine-exemptions https://www.foxnews.com/health/surgeon-general-monitor-vacci...
- corvettez0606 5y agoYes. Me.
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- cmoscoso 5y agoWhat vaccine mandates??
- bm3719 5y agoWhen they come for me, I plan to quit. I WFH, live in the middle of nowhere, grow most of my own food, and go weeks without interacting with someone not in the household. I don't need the money so quitting's not a big deal for me, but I do feel sorry for those not in a position to take a principled stand for personal choice and autonomy over their own bodies. I'll consider coming back to work when/if something close to the old normal returns some day.