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Come on - obviously bad driving is not primarily an infectious airborne pathogen. Bad driving is something you can unilaterally inflict on other people to perma

Come on - obviously bad driving is not primarily an infectious airborne pathogen. Bad driving is something you can unilaterally inflict on other people to permanently ruin their lives, as is an infectious airborne pathogen.

nkozyra 5y ago
Well I certainly do think people should consider others when they get behind the wheel. Similarly I think people should consider the risk to others if they get this pathogen rather than just the risk to themselves.
- Wowfunhappy 5y ago
  The problem is, 73% of drivers think they're above-average drivers[1]. So just as you can't know whether you're the one spreading COVID, you can't know if you're the bad driver. The solution is to get rid of cars as a primary mode of transport, and I really do think we should do that! 1: https://www.businessinsider.com/americans-are-overconfident-in-their-driving-skills-2018-1 https://www.businessinsider.com/americans-are-overconfident-...
  - nkozyra 5y ago
    > So just as you can't know whether you're the one spreading COVID, you can't know if you're the bad the driver. This really isn't remotely analogous, particularly since you absolutely can know you're at risk of spreading COVID.
    - Wowfunhappy 5y ago
      You added the "at risk" part, not me! :) Your version applies to cars too! By driving a car, you are at risk of causing a car crash!
      - nkozyra 5y ago
        You said "you can't know" With COVID, you can. Pretty easily.
        Wowfunhappy 5y ago
        Sorry, I might not be understanding where you're going with this. I initially thought you meant "you can know you're at risk of spreading COVID, because everyone is at risk of spreading COVID." Certainly, anyone who receives a positive PCR test for COVID should quarantine ASAP. But if you're incubating COVID, but not infectious yet, the tests will return negative. A test only tells you whether you were infectious at the time of the test, so by the time you've seen the results, the information is already outdated.
        nkozyra 5y ago
        > I initially thought you meant "you can know you're at risk of spreading COVID, because everyone is at risk of spreading COVID." No. That wouldn't be a particularly useful statement. Dismissing the aggregate risks solely based on your own is short sighted.
rich_sasha 5y ago
Indeed, driving lorries and buses requires an advanced license, with far more stringent testing, presumably because, like in the analogy, you could kill a lot more people behind the wheel of those?

nkozyra 5y ago

Well I certainly do think people should consider others when they get behind the wheel. Similarly I think people should consider the risk to others if they get this pathogen rather than just the risk to themselves.

Wowfunhappy 5y ago
The problem is, 73% of drivers think they're above-average drivers[1]. So just as you can't know whether you're the one spreading COVID, you can't know if you're the bad driver. The solution is to get rid of cars as a primary mode of transport, and I really do think we should do that! 1: https://www.businessinsider.com/americans-are-overconfident-in-their-driving-skills-2018-1 https://www.businessinsider.com/americans-are-overconfident-...
- nkozyra 5y ago
  > So just as you can't know whether you're the one spreading COVID, you can't know if you're the bad the driver. This really isn't remotely analogous, particularly since you absolutely can know you're at risk of spreading COVID.
  - Wowfunhappy 5y ago
    You added the "at risk" part, not me! :) Your version applies to cars too! By driving a car, you are at risk of causing a car crash!
    - nkozyra 5y ago
      You said "you can't know" With COVID, you can. Pretty easily.
      - Wowfunhappy 5y ago
        Sorry, I might not be understanding where you're going with this. I initially thought you meant "you can know you're at risk of spreading COVID, because everyone is at risk of spreading COVID." Certainly, anyone who receives a positive PCR test for COVID should quarantine ASAP. But if you're incubating COVID, but not infectious yet, the tests will return negative. A test only tells you whether you were infectious at the time of the test, so by the time you've seen the results, the information is already outdated.
        nkozyra 5y ago
        > I initially thought you meant "you can know you're at risk of spreading COVID, because everyone is at risk of spreading COVID." No. That wouldn't be a particularly useful statement. Dismissing the aggregate risks solely based on your own is short sighted.

rich_sasha 5y ago

Indeed, driving lorries and buses requires an advanced license, with far more stringent testing, presumably because, like in the analogy, you could kill a lot more people behind the wheel of those?