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The hospitals are clogged because the basic in person care is crippled by covid prevention practices. So instead of going to your pcp to deal with an ear infect

by rdtwo 5y ago

The hospitals are clogged because the basic in person care is crippled by covid prevention practices. So instead of going to your pcp to deal with an ear infection or bladder infection the only place you can go is hospital as now any time you have covid like symptoms you have to get a covid test to get access to care. Similarly you can’t get care if you have a slow growing cancer or need minor surgery. All these people are going to have negative outcomes

ceejayoz 5y ago
They don't put people simply pending a COVID test in the ICU. Mississippi was recently down to six ICU beds in the entire state: https://www.wlbt.com/2021/08/04/just-6-icu-beds-available-entire-state-mississippi-weds-morning/ https://www.wlbt.com/2021/08/04/just-6-icu-beds-available-en... Arkansas got to zero: https://apnews.com/article/health-arkansas-coronavirus-pandemic-76b5c9eb07b489dd94209551fea74024 https://apnews.com/article/health-arkansas-coronavirus-pande... This isn't explicable with your hypothesis. You can absolutely go to your PCP for a COVID test, and get your ear infection treated while you're there.
- rdtwo 5y ago
  Not here you can’t. They specifically ban anyone with covid like symptoms from entering which is like everything. Besides what are the outcomes for using ICUs for covid. I bet long term outcomes are pretty dismal, that might be a good time to say unless you are healthy and under 55 if you need icu it might just be your time. Rationing care is a ethical and practical thing to do.
Igelau 5y ago
> The hospitals are clogged because the basic in person care is crippled by covid prevention practices. They also seem to be suffering from the labor shortage. Only secondhand anecdata from friends in the medical field, but nurses seem to be getting harder to hire and retain right now.
IncRnd 5y ago
Thank you, but I was asking for actual verifiable information that hospitals are getting clogged due to non-vaccinated people. I asked for two reasons. 1) That is not at all the case with the hospitals near me. 2) The recent articles I've seen make this assertion were immediately retracted due to the people they relied upon not telling the truth. So, before I speak with some of my unvaxxed friends, I wanted actual information to support, otherwise they could (correctly) say not to bring them unfounded assertions.
- Jabbles 5y ago
  For example: https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/09/10/cullman-al-man-dies-hospitals-full-icus-turn-away-covid/8281712002/ https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/09/10/cullman...
  - IncRnd 5y ago
    Thank you, but that isn't an example of ICUs filled with non-vaxxed. It might be an example of filled ICUs. When I look at reported ICU information for Mississippi, the data doesn't support that. [1] I appreciate your posting that, but it isnt helpful for my situation. [1] https://msdh.ms.gov/msdhsite/_static/14,21994,420,873.html https://msdh.ms.gov/msdhsite/_static/14,21994,420,873.html
    - pdabbadabba 5y ago
      Given that vaccination significantly decreases an individual's risk of hospitalization and that only about 40% of Missippippians are fully vaccinated, it seems like we would be justified in inferring that the people filling the ICUs are generally unvaccinated, no?
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      - rdtwo 5y ago
        Filling the icus might only mean adding 4-8 heads over existing load though if you only have 20-30 beds and you are running 70-80% as a baseline

by rdtwo 5y ago

ceejayoz 5y ago

They don't put people simply pending a COVID test in the ICU. Mississippi was recently down to six ICU beds in the entire state: https://www.wlbt.com/2021/08/04/just-6-icu-beds-available-entire-state-mississippi-weds-morning/ https://www.wlbt.com/2021/08/04/just-6-icu-beds-available-en... Arkansas got to zero: https://apnews.com/article/health-arkansas-coronavirus-pandemic-76b5c9eb07b489dd94209551fea74024 https://apnews.com/article/health-arkansas-coronavirus-pande... This isn't explicable with your hypothesis. You can absolutely go to your PCP for a COVID test, and get your ear infection treated while you're there.

rdtwo 5y ago
Not here you can’t. They specifically ban anyone with covid like symptoms from entering which is like everything. Besides what are the outcomes for using ICUs for covid. I bet long term outcomes are pretty dismal, that might be a good time to say unless you are healthy and under 55 if you need icu it might just be your time. Rationing care is a ethical and practical thing to do.

Igelau 5y ago

> The hospitals are clogged because the basic in person care is crippled by covid prevention practices. They also seem to be suffering from the labor shortage. Only secondhand anecdata from friends in the medical field, but nurses seem to be getting harder to hire and retain right now.

IncRnd 5y ago

Thank you, but I was asking for actual verifiable information that hospitals are getting clogged due to non-vaccinated people. I asked for two reasons. 1) That is not at all the case with the hospitals near me. 2) The recent articles I've seen make this assertion were immediately retracted due to the people they relied upon not telling the truth. So, before I speak with some of my unvaxxed friends, I wanted actual information to support, otherwise they could (correctly) say not to bring them unfounded assertions.

Jabbles 5y ago
For example: https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/09/10/cullman-al-man-dies-hospitals-full-icus-turn-away-covid/8281712002/ https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/09/10/cullman...
- IncRnd 5y ago
  Thank you, but that isn't an example of ICUs filled with non-vaxxed. It might be an example of filled ICUs. When I look at reported ICU information for Mississippi, the data doesn't support that. [1] I appreciate your posting that, but it isnt helpful for my situation. [1] https://msdh.ms.gov/msdhsite/_static/14,21994,420,873.html https://msdh.ms.gov/msdhsite/_static/14,21994,420,873.html
  - pdabbadabba 5y ago
    Given that vaccination significantly decreases an individual's risk of hospitalization and that only about 40% of Missippippians are fully vaccinated, it seems like we would be justified in inferring that the people filling the ICUs are generally unvaccinated, no?
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    - rdtwo 5y ago
      Filling the icus might only mean adding 4-8 heads over existing load though if you only have 20-30 beds and you are running 70-80% as a baseline