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> Exactly. I see no reason why I’d take strong measures to avoid getting exposed to it (now that I and 90% of adults around me are fully vaccinated) when I neve

> Exactly. I see no reason why I’d take strong measures to avoid getting exposed to it (now that I and 90% of adults around me are fully vaccinated) when I never did the same for the flu. Because it's up to 10x more deadly than influenza, particularly for vulnerable populations. https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseas...

ummonk 5y ago
The flu is equally if not more deadly in populations without preexisting immunity (e.g. isolated tribes). Once people acquire immunity (preferable through multiple doses of vaccination), it’s really not any different than the flu.
- nkozyra 5y ago
  Do you live in an isolated tribe? Otherwise, I don't see how that's particularly relevant to your comment. In most populations, today, COVID is significantly more dangerous and deadly than influenza.
  - ummonk 5y ago
    I now have antibodies and memory cells against covid (because I’m fully vaccinated), so covid is not deadlier than the flu for me.
    - nkozyra 5y ago
      Yes, for you. The point I've been stressing is that it's (mask wearing, social distancing) not just about you. Because you don't live in an isolated tribe, some percentage of your population remains at risk of contracting covid and perpetuating its spread.
javagram 5y ago
Your link does not seem to support that Covid-19 is 10x more deadly than influenza in a vaccinated person, like the poster you are replying to. It’s 10x more deadly if you haven’t been vaccinated but the vaccines are showing 10-20x decrease in hospitalization and death, bringing the risk more into flu range.
- nkozyra 5y ago
  > Your link does not seem to support that Covid-19 is 10x more deadly than influenza in a vaccinated person, like the poster you are replying to. But my point wasn't about op, it was about the population as a whole, hence the "especially in vulnerable population" part.
  - javagram 5y ago
    Parent however qualified that they were considering the risk to themselves and their own contacts, who are also vaccinated. For them and their associates, treating this like the flu seems more reasonable. Assuming they’re in the USA, everyone who is unvaccinated at this point (except children, who have low risk of death) is doing so by choice. We can’t be expected to put our lives on hold for conspiracy theorists forever.
native_samples 5y ago
That statement seems to be very obsolete. It claims "doctors and scientists are working to estimate the mortality rate". Well, that work has been done and the results were that you can find IFRs of anywhere between 0% and 1.6%, with a median of about 0.2%: https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf There's a letter here in the BMJ that states it's comparable to flu: https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4509/rr https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4509/rr The nature of IFR calculations means there will likely always be very wide uncertainty intervals, however.

ummonk 5y ago

The flu is equally if not more deadly in populations without preexisting immunity (e.g. isolated tribes). Once people acquire immunity (preferable through multiple doses of vaccination), it’s really not any different than the flu.

nkozyra 5y ago
Do you live in an isolated tribe? Otherwise, I don't see how that's particularly relevant to your comment. In most populations, today, COVID is significantly more dangerous and deadly than influenza.
- ummonk 5y ago
  I now have antibodies and memory cells against covid (because I’m fully vaccinated), so covid is not deadlier than the flu for me.
  - nkozyra 5y ago
    Yes, for you. The point I've been stressing is that it's (mask wearing, social distancing) not just about you. Because you don't live in an isolated tribe, some percentage of your population remains at risk of contracting covid and perpetuating its spread.

javagram 5y ago

Your link does not seem to support that Covid-19 is 10x more deadly than influenza in a vaccinated person, like the poster you are replying to. It’s 10x more deadly if you haven’t been vaccinated but the vaccines are showing 10-20x decrease in hospitalization and death, bringing the risk more into flu range.

nkozyra 5y ago
> Your link does not seem to support that Covid-19 is 10x more deadly than influenza in a vaccinated person, like the poster you are replying to. But my point wasn't about op, it was about the population as a whole, hence the "especially in vulnerable population" part.
- javagram 5y ago
  Parent however qualified that they were considering the risk to themselves and their own contacts, who are also vaccinated. For them and their associates, treating this like the flu seems more reasonable. Assuming they’re in the USA, everyone who is unvaccinated at this point (except children, who have low risk of death) is doing so by choice. We can’t be expected to put our lives on hold for conspiracy theorists forever.

native_samples 5y ago

That statement seems to be very obsolete. It claims "doctors and scientists are working to estimate the mortality rate". Well, that work has been done and the results were that you can find IFRs of anywhere between 0% and 1.6%, with a median of about 0.2%: https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf There's a letter here in the BMJ that states it's comparable to flu: https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4509/rr https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4509/rr The nature of IFR calculations means there will likely always be very wide uncertainty intervals, however.