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It’s depressing how all these stories just reinforce the idea that the US could never suffer another lockdown. We have exploding cases and even a brief lockdow

It’s depressing how all these stories just reinforce the idea that the US could never suffer another lockdown. We have exploding cases and even a brief lockdown would greatly decrease them, but the political will to try and stop it has completely dried up, likely from business interests.

hrfbi 5y ago
I don't have a business and I don't want to be shut in home. If you want to then lock yourself down, thanks.
- birdyrooster 5y ago
  No one wants to do chemotherapy or have tumor excisions, but you need to or you suffer a worse fate.
  - josephcsible 5y ago
    Chemotherapy is actually an excellent analogy. We don't give chemotherapy to everyone just because a few people might have undetected cancer.
    - infinityplus1 5y ago
      Cancer does not spread rapidly through air. Also, chemotherapy is done after you get cancer. It is not a preventative measure.
      - birdyrooster 5y ago
        It is preventative though, it prevents the cancer from progressing and metastasizing.
        infinityplus1 5y ago
        It is not preventative in the sense that you can't ask millions of people to get chemotherapy just in case.
    - birdyrooster 5y ago
      It’s a reductio ad absurdism, I’m not saying everyone has potential cancer, I’m saying that sometimes protecting your health isn’t convenient or fun. The idea is that it is temporary.
  - angelzen 5y ago
    Not a good analogy. Many doctors chose to bypass chemotherapy and tumor excisions. Chances are the gain is a handful of years of utmost misery. If that. https://www.fredhutch.org/en/news/center-news/2014/05/How-doctors-die.html https://www.fredhutch.org/en/news/center-news/2014/05/How-do... > “dying patients continue to be hospitalized and subjected to ineffective therapies that erode their quality of life and their personal dignity” while doctors “have a striking personal preference to forego high-intensity care for themselves at the end-of-life and prefer to die gently and naturally.”
    - birdyrooster 5y ago
      I’m not good at analogies I guess. I’ll come up with a new one.
laurent92 5y ago
Lockdowns cause obesity, suicide both in short-term and long term, and we don’t have figures on whether the lack of exercise and sadness causes more cancer but it could. I personally have lost all of my friends due to anger issues, I only have my workmates left, if I ever lose my keys. There has also been visibly more attacks in France since the lockdowns started (bethroatings, I mean). Pro-lockdown people never seem to include the human aspect of it.
- marricks 5y ago
  A 2 week lockdown caused this? I'm not advocated for a year long one again, but having 100k+ cases a day might be more harmful.
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kelnos 5y ago
Is the hospitalization rate and death rate among vaccinated people really that high? Or is it at or below flu rates? I think that's what should be driving lockdown decisions. If the rates of hospitalization and death are still high for unvaccinated people, I don't see why we should suffer more restrictions for people who refuse to protect themselves.

hrfbi 5y ago

I don't have a business and I don't want to be shut in home. If you want to then lock yourself down, thanks.

birdyrooster 5y ago
No one wants to do chemotherapy or have tumor excisions, but you need to or you suffer a worse fate.
- josephcsible 5y ago
  Chemotherapy is actually an excellent analogy. We don't give chemotherapy to everyone just because a few people might have undetected cancer.
  - infinityplus1 5y ago
    Cancer does not spread rapidly through air. Also, chemotherapy is done after you get cancer. It is not a preventative measure.
    - birdyrooster 5y ago
      It is preventative though, it prevents the cancer from progressing and metastasizing.
      - infinityplus1 5y ago
        It is not preventative in the sense that you can't ask millions of people to get chemotherapy just in case.
  - birdyrooster 5y ago
    It’s a reductio ad absurdism, I’m not saying everyone has potential cancer, I’m saying that sometimes protecting your health isn’t convenient or fun. The idea is that it is temporary.
- angelzen 5y ago
  Not a good analogy. Many doctors chose to bypass chemotherapy and tumor excisions. Chances are the gain is a handful of years of utmost misery. If that. https://www.fredhutch.org/en/news/center-news/2014/05/How-doctors-die.html https://www.fredhutch.org/en/news/center-news/2014/05/How-do... > “dying patients continue to be hospitalized and subjected to ineffective therapies that erode their quality of life and their personal dignity” while doctors “have a striking personal preference to forego high-intensity care for themselves at the end-of-life and prefer to die gently and naturally.”
  - birdyrooster 5y ago
    I’m not good at analogies I guess. I’ll come up with a new one.

laurent92 5y ago

Lockdowns cause obesity, suicide both in short-term and long term, and we don’t have figures on whether the lack of exercise and sadness causes more cancer but it could. I personally have lost all of my friends due to anger issues, I only have my workmates left, if I ever lose my keys. There has also been visibly more attacks in France since the lockdowns started (bethroatings, I mean). Pro-lockdown people never seem to include the human aspect of it.

marricks 5y ago
A 2 week lockdown caused this? I'm not advocated for a year long one again, but having 100k+ cases a day might be more harmful.

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kelnos 5y ago

Is the hospitalization rate and death rate among vaccinated people really that high? Or is it at or below flu rates? I think that's what should be driving lockdown decisions. If the rates of hospitalization and death are still high for unvaccinated people, I don't see why we should suffer more restrictions for people who refuse to protect themselves.