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We had a domestic terror attack, invaded two countries that the terrorist organization lived and thrived in, removed and dismantled most of their support struct

We had a domestic terror attack, invaded two countries that the terrorist organization lived and thrived in, removed and dismantled most of their support structure. Admittedly we failed to rebuild the Afgani state. Gotta call it quits eventually, 20 years is one hell of a try. We still took the most gold in the regular olympics though. So probably in another 30 years when someone else makes a gaffe in that area.

pstuart 5y ago
> Admittedly we failed to rebuild the Afgani state. Funny, the only talk I remember around then was "bombing them back to the stone age". We had zero legitimacy in that invasion -- it was a jingoistic angry retaliation with no clear plan on what to do other than "kill terrorists". Irony alert: we probably created more terrorists than we killed.
- ProjectArcturis 5y ago
  And yet we denied them the ability to carry out large-scale attacks in the US for the next 20 years.
  - mistermann 5y ago
    Causality if far more complex than perceived by the subconscious mind.
  - Ozzie_osman 5y ago
    The cost was quite high (financial, US lives lost, local lived lost). Perhaps there were better ways of preventing large-scale attacks on the US?
  - pstuart 5y ago
    That's a rather Panglossian take. We sacrificed more lives than were lost in the initial attack. And then there's the financial cost which is astronomical. We had the chance to stop that attack and fucked up. And now we've handed over control to the Taliban, the very same "freedom fighters" we helped to create. If you think that's victory then you're mistaken. Meanwhile the greatest threats to America are from internal terrorists.
  - atatatat 5y ago
    Vegas, et al weren't considered large-scale?
    - pstuart 5y ago
      Indeed. The biggest terrorist threats we face are domestic.
  - ssijak 5y ago
    Is this sarcastic?
atatatat 5y ago
> Upset with people who own sports team > Go and turn over then burn the closest bar that has lots of their fans
- atatatat 5y ago
  Also, did you somehow miss the billions of dollars in toys we left over there for (anyone) to (use on/sell) to (anyone)?
Paradigma11 5y ago
AQ lived and thrived in Iraq? After the invasion there was some activity, but before?
dragonwriter 5y ago
> invaded two countries that the terrorist organization lived and thrived in al-Qaeda didn't exist in any substantial way in Iraq before we destroyed the regime and unleashed a previously minor group which affiliated with al-Qaeda for a while before becoming ISIS.
Ar-Curunir 5y ago
At this point it’s pretty clear that the “reasons” for the Iraq War were made up.

pstuart 5y ago

> Admittedly we failed to rebuild the Afgani state. Funny, the only talk I remember around then was "bombing them back to the stone age". We had zero legitimacy in that invasion -- it was a jingoistic angry retaliation with no clear plan on what to do other than "kill terrorists". Irony alert: we probably created more terrorists than we killed.

ProjectArcturis 5y ago
And yet we denied them the ability to carry out large-scale attacks in the US for the next 20 years.
- mistermann 5y ago
  Causality if far more complex than perceived by the subconscious mind.
- Ozzie_osman 5y ago
  The cost was quite high (financial, US lives lost, local lived lost). Perhaps there were better ways of preventing large-scale attacks on the US?
- pstuart 5y ago
  That's a rather Panglossian take. We sacrificed more lives than were lost in the initial attack. And then there's the financial cost which is astronomical. We had the chance to stop that attack and fucked up. And now we've handed over control to the Taliban, the very same "freedom fighters" we helped to create. If you think that's victory then you're mistaken. Meanwhile the greatest threats to America are from internal terrorists.
- atatatat 5y ago
  Vegas, et al weren't considered large-scale?
  - pstuart 5y ago
    Indeed. The biggest terrorist threats we face are domestic.
- ssijak 5y ago
  Is this sarcastic?

atatatat 5y ago

> Upset with people who own sports team > Go and turn over then burn the closest bar that has lots of their fans

atatatat 5y ago
Also, did you somehow miss the billions of dollars in toys we left over there for (anyone) to (use on/sell) to (anyone)?

Paradigma11 5y ago

AQ lived and thrived in Iraq? After the invasion there was some activity, but before?

dragonwriter 5y ago

> invaded two countries that the terrorist organization lived and thrived in al-Qaeda didn't exist in any substantial way in Iraq before we destroyed the regime and unleashed a previously minor group which affiliated with al-Qaeda for a while before becoming ISIS.

Ar-Curunir 5y ago

At this point it’s pretty clear that the “reasons” for the Iraq War were made up.