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What about Hanlon’s razor[1]? Are we sure this is a fake delay and not just some bad engineering? E.g. a bad case of long polling. Sure, even in that case it wo
by thih9 5y ago
What about Hanlon’s razor[1]? Are we sure this is a fake delay and not just some bad engineering? E.g. a bad case of long polling. Sure, even in that case it would still be a dark pattern; I just want to make sure we’re not assuming too much.
[1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor
- t0mas88 5y agoYou're right, it takes much longer to pick "no" or "customise" because the way it is implemented in 99% of the tracking tools is that it has to be opt-out and to do the opt-out the site loads a pixel that places a special opt-out cookie. Not saying this is a good thing, but it is a reality that it takes time to load so many opt-out pixels. So there is a big change that this is a lot of outrage while there is no dark pattern here.
- hn_throwaway_99 5y agoExcept I guarantee if choosing the "allow all cookies" option took 50 seconds that the very first thing that product would prioritize is getting that down to sub-second. Granted, it could still be some sort of a polling situation vs. just a deliberate fake "make this take a really long time", but it still doesn't matter - it's still a dark pattern because the site owner is deliberately OK with the "opt out" solution being so onerous that hardly anyone would wait that long.
- thih9 5y ago> while there is no dark pattern here I still think this is a dark pattern (see my grandparent comment). E.g. consent should be opt in and not opt out.