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What a propaganda piece. “many say”, etc. Stop spreading lies like the lower COVID mortality compared to flu. It’s disgusting. Stop lying about what the artic

What a propaganda piece. “many say”, etc. Stop spreading lies like the lower COVID mortality compared to flu. It’s disgusting. Stop lying about what the article says, it’s not about the national recommendation of a country (that famously botched their response). “Nearly zero” means nothing for societal outcome, certainly for mortality. What is the number of people infected, “nearly zero” of which die? Then these numbers become meaningful.

chitowneats 5y ago
Did you even read the article from the BBC? We are talking about rates of death in children, not the general population. More children have been shot in Chicago in the past year than have died from covid in the entire country. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9979619/More-children-shot-Chicago-died-COVID-19-nationwide.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9979619/More-childr... I'm finished communicating with you. You're not participating in this discussion in good faith.
- nautilius 5y ago
  I certainly hope you’re finished communicating your blatant lies to other people as well - it would in fact save lives.
  - chitowneats 5y ago
    Have any actual rebuttal to the statistics I'm posting? Or are you just going to keep blowing hot air? I assume you're embarrassed that you're so confused about the data.
    - nautilius 5y ago
      Your lies started with the mortality claims that are easily debunked with a 5s Google search, and you spewing these lies already frames everything else you’re saying afterwards. For your second point, after you torture what the article actually says into a alleged national policy of the UK, I suggest you read up on exponential growth. It reminds me of the discussions in this country in March 2020, when everything was written on the wall, but people looked at absolute numbers and proclaimed that it’s not going to be a problem. See, if you were simply lying about how expensive your car is, I couldn’t care less. But it’s propaganda pieces like yours that kill people, currently at a rate of half a 9/11 per day, all of it completely avoidable.
      - chitowneats 5y ago
        Surely then you could provide a single link that supports your claim that covid mortality in children is higher than influenza? Go ahead. I'll wait. https://freopp.org/comparing-the-risk-of-death-from-covid-19-vs-influenza-by-age-d33a1c76c198 https://freopp.org/comparing-the-risk-of-death-from-covid-19... "Based on that analysis, what is striking is that those under the age of 15 are at significantly lower risk of death from COVID-19 than of the flu. Under our assumptions, for example, children under the age of 15 have a 1 in 155,535 chance of dying of influenza, but a 1 in 1.2 million chance of dying of COVID-19." "For toddlers, the relative risk is even more pronounced. We estimate that Americans between ages 1–4 are 3.4 times more likely to die of influenza than of COVID-19." In an attempt to head off your inevitable criticism that I'm citing "conservative propaganda", here's an article from New York Magazine making similar arguments: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/07/the-kids-were-safe-from-covid-the-whole-time.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/07/the-kids-were-safe-f... "according to the CDC, among children the mortality risk from COVID-19 is actually lower than from the flu. The risk of severe disease or hospitalization is about the same." "the infection fatality rate for those aged 5 to 9 is less than 0.001 percent"
      - hnbad 5y ago
        I've gone over the numbers the BBC keeps pushing a while back when another article was posted on HN so I'm not going to repeat myself, but in summary the problem is that these numbers are given as "deaths per population" without taking the number of infections into account. There's also no evidence that children are at a lower risk of developing Long Covid. Note that these same sources also espouse that children are safe because of their lower infection risk but then go and compare the mortality rate to the entire population to come up with grandiose claims. When looking at the actual official UK numbers (i.e. comparing deaths after a confirmed infection to confirmed infections) child mortality is indeed significantly lower but only by a factor of 10 compared to adults. This paints a far grimmer picture than all this talk about there being a multiple orders of magnitude difference. It's also worth pointing out that the vaccine supply is limited, so the question of whether children should be vaccinated is one of prioritization. If children already have a low likelihood of infection and have better outcomes than the average adult, it makes more sense to use that vaccine on an adult than a child. German media also suggests the decision for the German vaccination authority to not recommend a third round of vaccinations at the moment is similarly driven by the idea that it's more important to make sure everyone has some level of immunization than that some people have a very high level of immunization: the goal is to control spread, not to protect individuals. Note that the German authority has greenlit vaccinations for 12+ year olds, so their risk evaluation seems to consider the likelihood of children spreading the virus or potentially developing chronic conditions in the future to be significant enough. Of course you can't compare these risks directly due to differences e.g. in the school systems and pandemic-related accommodations.

chitowneats 5y ago

Did you even read the article from the BBC? We are talking about rates of death in children, not the general population. More children have been shot in Chicago in the past year than have died from covid in the entire country. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9979619/More-children-shot-Chicago-died-COVID-19-nationwide.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9979619/More-childr... I'm finished communicating with you. You're not participating in this discussion in good faith.

nautilius 5y ago
I certainly hope you’re finished communicating your blatant lies to other people as well - it would in fact save lives.
- chitowneats 5y ago
  Have any actual rebuttal to the statistics I'm posting? Or are you just going to keep blowing hot air? I assume you're embarrassed that you're so confused about the data.
  - nautilius 5y ago
    Your lies started with the mortality claims that are easily debunked with a 5s Google search, and you spewing these lies already frames everything else you’re saying afterwards. For your second point, after you torture what the article actually says into a alleged national policy of the UK, I suggest you read up on exponential growth. It reminds me of the discussions in this country in March 2020, when everything was written on the wall, but people looked at absolute numbers and proclaimed that it’s not going to be a problem. See, if you were simply lying about how expensive your car is, I couldn’t care less. But it’s propaganda pieces like yours that kill people, currently at a rate of half a 9/11 per day, all of it completely avoidable.
    - chitowneats 5y ago
      Surely then you could provide a single link that supports your claim that covid mortality in children is higher than influenza? Go ahead. I'll wait. https://freopp.org/comparing-the-risk-of-death-from-covid-19-vs-influenza-by-age-d33a1c76c198 https://freopp.org/comparing-the-risk-of-death-from-covid-19... "Based on that analysis, what is striking is that those under the age of 15 are at significantly lower risk of death from COVID-19 than of the flu. Under our assumptions, for example, children under the age of 15 have a 1 in 155,535 chance of dying of influenza, but a 1 in 1.2 million chance of dying of COVID-19." "For toddlers, the relative risk is even more pronounced. We estimate that Americans between ages 1–4 are 3.4 times more likely to die of influenza than of COVID-19." In an attempt to head off your inevitable criticism that I'm citing "conservative propaganda", here's an article from New York Magazine making similar arguments: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/07/the-kids-were-safe-from-covid-the-whole-time.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/07/the-kids-were-safe-f... "according to the CDC, among children the mortality risk from COVID-19 is actually lower than from the flu. The risk of severe disease or hospitalization is about the same." "the infection fatality rate for those aged 5 to 9 is less than 0.001 percent"
    - hnbad 5y ago
      I've gone over the numbers the BBC keeps pushing a while back when another article was posted on HN so I'm not going to repeat myself, but in summary the problem is that these numbers are given as "deaths per population" without taking the number of infections into account. There's also no evidence that children are at a lower risk of developing Long Covid. Note that these same sources also espouse that children are safe because of their lower infection risk but then go and compare the mortality rate to the entire population to come up with grandiose claims. When looking at the actual official UK numbers (i.e. comparing deaths after a confirmed infection to confirmed infections) child mortality is indeed significantly lower but only by a factor of 10 compared to adults. This paints a far grimmer picture than all this talk about there being a multiple orders of magnitude difference. It's also worth pointing out that the vaccine supply is limited, so the question of whether children should be vaccinated is one of prioritization. If children already have a low likelihood of infection and have better outcomes than the average adult, it makes more sense to use that vaccine on an adult than a child. German media also suggests the decision for the German vaccination authority to not recommend a third round of vaccinations at the moment is similarly driven by the idea that it's more important to make sure everyone has some level of immunization than that some people have a very high level of immunization: the goal is to control spread, not to protect individuals. Note that the German authority has greenlit vaccinations for 12+ year olds, so their risk evaluation seems to consider the likelihood of children spreading the virus or potentially developing chronic conditions in the future to be significant enough. Of course you can't compare these risks directly due to differences e.g. in the school systems and pandemic-related accommodations.