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All the data suggests that vaccines significantly reduce transmission, both by decreasing the likelihood of infection and onward transmission from vaccinated in

by Straw 5y ago

All the data suggests that vaccines significantly reduce transmission, both by decreasing the likelihood of infection and onward transmission from vaccinated individuals. Additionally, anything that incentivizes more people to get the vaccine will result in higher uptake, which benefits everyone in terms of lower overall spread and hospital usage.

mapme 5y ago
Exactly, the attack rate of vaccinated individuals who are infected is significantly lower.
13years 5y ago
All the current data suggests something very different. https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2021/08/06/fully-vaccinated-may-transmit-delta-just-as-easily-and-new-variant-shows-signs-of-vaccine-evasion-early-uk-research-suggests/?sh=5124b8e71ac5 https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2021/08/06/fully-v...
- Straw 5y ago
  I can't find any source in there suggesting a lack of effectiveness. The underlying source linked by the article mentions a reduction of 80% in symptomatic disease, which is responsible for most transmission. I can't find anything very recent, but here's an analysis that takes Delta into account: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1001169/S1301_SPI-M-O_Summary_Roadmap_second_Step_4.2__1_.pdf?fbclid=IwAR2UWZ6fhhJHGWNN4vq5NeuIX91DhhV6RXycOJhDtSUoPPRLv0F3dnGrG8E https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/... Finding 80+% protection against symptomatic disease and ~40% reduction in onwards transmission, from three different modelling groups.
  - 13years 5y ago
    Those estimates are based on modelling with assumptions to fill in missing information. Significant is the assumption of little waning immunity. Current data trends don't look so optimistic. https://dailysceptic.org/2021/08/22/latest-phe-data-shows-vaccine-effectiveness-down-to-just-15-in-the-over-50s-37-in-the-under-50s-deaths-cut-by-80-in-over-50s-but-just-12-in-under-50s/ https://dailysceptic.org/2021/08/22/latest-phe-data-shows-va...

by Straw 5y ago

mapme 5y ago

Exactly, the attack rate of vaccinated individuals who are infected is significantly lower.

13years 5y ago

All the current data suggests something very different. https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2021/08/06/fully-vaccinated-may-transmit-delta-just-as-easily-and-new-variant-shows-signs-of-vaccine-evasion-early-uk-research-suggests/?sh=5124b8e71ac5 https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2021/08/06/fully-v...

Straw 5y ago
I can't find any source in there suggesting a lack of effectiveness. The underlying source linked by the article mentions a reduction of 80% in symptomatic disease, which is responsible for most transmission. I can't find anything very recent, but here's an analysis that takes Delta into account: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1001169/S1301_SPI-M-O_Summary_Roadmap_second_Step_4.2__1_.pdf?fbclid=IwAR2UWZ6fhhJHGWNN4vq5NeuIX91DhhV6RXycOJhDtSUoPPRLv0F3dnGrG8E https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/... Finding 80+% protection against symptomatic disease and ~40% reduction in onwards transmission, from three different modelling groups.
- 13years 5y ago
  Those estimates are based on modelling with assumptions to fill in missing information. Significant is the assumption of little waning immunity. Current data trends don't look so optimistic. https://dailysceptic.org/2021/08/22/latest-phe-data-shows-vaccine-effectiveness-down-to-just-15-in-the-over-50s-37-in-the-under-50s-deaths-cut-by-80-in-over-50s-but-just-12-in-under-50s/ https://dailysceptic.org/2021/08/22/latest-phe-data-shows-va...