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Delta has an R value of 6 to 7. Measles has a much higher R value of 12 to 18, yet the vaccination is highly successful. You’re promoting disinformation.

quotemstr 5y ago
The vaccine for measles is sterilizing. The vaccines for COVID are not. They're two completely separate classes of intervention. I'm not the one spreading disinformation here. Just because substance A and substance B are both called "vaccines" doesn't mean that A and B have comparable effects and can be treated the same way. It is simply not medically possible for COVID vaccination to stop the spread of COVID. We have to accept that and move on with our lives. The government is not justified in mandating any medical treatment merely because that treatment is good for you. The vaccines seem beneficial, yes. This fact alone does not justify the use of state power. We have a 70-year-old taboo against involuntary medical treatment for a very good reason. The weak threat of COVID combined with the insufficiency of our vaccines suggests that we don't have a compelling case for breaking this taboo. The vaccines may be beneficial on an individual level but I do not see a case for mandates.
- nobodyandproud 5y ago
  Sterilizing immunity is a myth. MMR is definitely not a 100% guarantee of immunity; and the vaccine, despite what you’ve been lead to believe, is not a lifetime guarantee. Herd immunity is what makes vaccines work so well. You want freedom? Get the shot so that one year or two from now, we can get on with our lives without more legislation being put into place. Because the mandates will be happening if people keep ignoring the “your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins” principle.
- snovv_crash 5y ago
  It's quite possible that if measles were introduced to our global population now it would be exactly the same: has so much spread that it has the chance to mutate to evade the immune system next time around. If 99% of people were vaccinated then covid wouldn't have populations in which to mutate.

quotemstr 5y ago

The vaccine for measles is sterilizing. The vaccines for COVID are not. They're two completely separate classes of intervention. I'm not the one spreading disinformation here. Just because substance A and substance B are both called "vaccines" doesn't mean that A and B have comparable effects and can be treated the same way. It is simply not medically possible for COVID vaccination to stop the spread of COVID. We have to accept that and move on with our lives. The government is not justified in mandating any medical treatment merely because that treatment is good for you. The vaccines seem beneficial, yes. This fact alone does not justify the use of state power. We have a 70-year-old taboo against involuntary medical treatment for a very good reason. The weak threat of COVID combined with the insufficiency of our vaccines suggests that we don't have a compelling case for breaking this taboo. The vaccines may be beneficial on an individual level but I do not see a case for mandates.

nobodyandproud 5y ago
Sterilizing immunity is a myth. MMR is definitely not a 100% guarantee of immunity; and the vaccine, despite what you’ve been lead to believe, is not a lifetime guarantee. Herd immunity is what makes vaccines work so well. You want freedom? Get the shot so that one year or two from now, we can get on with our lives without more legislation being put into place. Because the mandates will be happening if people keep ignoring the “your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins” principle.
snovv_crash 5y ago
It's quite possible that if measles were introduced to our global population now it would be exactly the same: has so much spread that it has the chance to mutate to evade the immune system next time around. If 99% of people were vaccinated then covid wouldn't have populations in which to mutate.