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China does not really have peaceful options in dealing with Uyghur problem and collapse of US efforts in Afghanistan highlight that you can’t just let situation

China does not really have peaceful options in dealing with Uyghur problem and collapse of US efforts in Afghanistan highlight that you can’t just let situation fester without actions. Every successful counter terrorism operation was implemented with extreme (from modern west perspective) brutality (from Chechnya to Philippine) and all half measures generally fail. There is good chance that in 20-30 years Europe will have to adopt similar methods as extremist population increase among 2nd and 3rd gen immigrants.

ManuelKiessling 5y ago
What makes you claim that extremist population will increase among 2nd and 3rd gen immigrants?
- ksaj 5y ago
  Good catch. This sounds a lot like race baiting. Canada is a country of immigrants (to some fairly large degree, anyway), and we are well into 2nd and 3rd generations of immigrants without seeing this problem. When we do have more extremist issues, it rarely is from this part of the population. A lot of times when peaceful protests get out of hand in Canada, it is because of infiltration from groups like the "Black Bloc," which despite the name, are primarily white and often white supremists. They tend to provoke rival groups like BLM, with a special intent on smearing them, which is seen often enough in the US as well. We have had, and probably still have some specific incidents associated with known foreign terrorist organizations, but they specifically involve the "old guard" who were not born and raised here.
- disneygibson 5y ago
  That’s what happened in Western Europe.
- dfadsadsf 5y ago
  Generally countries are doing ok job blocking extremist from immigrating but preventing kids of those immigrants from radicalizing is hard to impossible. Police struggle to penetrate insular immigrant communities and political environment (for now) prevents harsh measures against even known terrorists (case in point - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-canada-guantanamo-khadr-idUSKBN19P203 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-canada-guantanamo-khadr-i...) UK, France and Germany each had more than 1000 citizens fighting for ISIS in Syria and Iraq - most of them are second gen. Most of terrorist in French terrorist attacks on 2015 were citizens of EU and second gen immigrants. I would expect situation to get much worse in the next 20-30 years unless global Islam looses steam and purpose similar to Christianity loosing them earlier in 20th century.

ManuelKiessling 5y ago

What makes you claim that extremist population will increase among 2nd and 3rd gen immigrants?

ksaj 5y ago
Good catch. This sounds a lot like race baiting. Canada is a country of immigrants (to some fairly large degree, anyway), and we are well into 2nd and 3rd generations of immigrants without seeing this problem. When we do have more extremist issues, it rarely is from this part of the population. A lot of times when peaceful protests get out of hand in Canada, it is because of infiltration from groups like the "Black Bloc," which despite the name, are primarily white and often white supremists. They tend to provoke rival groups like BLM, with a special intent on smearing them, which is seen often enough in the US as well. We have had, and probably still have some specific incidents associated with known foreign terrorist organizations, but they specifically involve the "old guard" who were not born and raised here.
disneygibson 5y ago
That’s what happened in Western Europe.
dfadsadsf 5y ago
Generally countries are doing ok job blocking extremist from immigrating but preventing kids of those immigrants from radicalizing is hard to impossible. Police struggle to penetrate insular immigrant communities and political environment (for now) prevents harsh measures against even known terrorists (case in point - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-canada-guantanamo-khadr-idUSKBN19P203 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-canada-guantanamo-khadr-i...) UK, France and Germany each had more than 1000 citizens fighting for ISIS in Syria and Iraq - most of them are second gen. Most of terrorist in French terrorist attacks on 2015 were citizens of EU and second gen immigrants. I would expect situation to get much worse in the next 20-30 years unless global Islam looses steam and purpose similar to Christianity loosing them earlier in 20th century.