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Last time I checked, the top 3 countries in terms of vaccination rates are also the top 3 countries in terms of number of active covid cases. Israel is #1 in v

by ddxxdd 5y ago

Last time I checked, the top 3 countries in terms of vaccination rates are also the top 3 countries in terms of number of active covid cases. Israel is #1 in vaccination rates and #1 in daily cases.

martin8412 5y ago
That must have been a while ago, because Israel is nowhere near top in vaccination rate anymore. They had a fast rollout, but are now stuck at around 61%.. Meanwhile, western Europe is around 80-90% vaccinated
- maxerickson 5y ago
  https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=FRA https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=FRA shows more like 60%-70% for the total population (I turned on more countries than France). Are your numbers percent of adults or including people that have recovered from infection or something?
  - jvzr 5y ago
    Government numbers in France show 80.2% today ("The figure gives the share of the population over the age of 12 that are fully vaccinated (all required doses") We crossed 60% on July 29, and 70% on August 20
    - maxerickson 5y ago
      Yeah, "over the age of 12", that isn't 80% fully vaccinated, it's 80% of over 12s fully vaccinated. Which is a useful measure of administrative effectiveness when the vaccine is not being given to people under 12, but it isn't 80% of the total population.
- 0-_-0 5y ago
  Europe: 102.58 doses per 100 Israel: 163.74 doses per 100 (#5 in the world) Source: https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?tab=table&zoomToSelection=true&facet=none&pickerSort=desc&pickerMetric=new_deaths_per_million&Metric=Vaccine+doses&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=IND~USA~GBR~CAN~DEU~FRA https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explor...
  - isbvhodnvemrwvn 5y ago
    Doses don't mean much if a large portion of the population have taken none.
    - deleted 5y ago
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    - libertine 5y ago
      Not to mention Janssen vaccine is a single dose and it's being widely used in some EU countries, which renders that measurement even more "useless" (in the sense that it doesn't give an accurate picture of the reality of the vaccination programs)
libertine 5y ago
I don't know where you getting that information, last time I checked Israel wasn't even in the top10 countries. Last week Portugal was number 2, and our cases have been dropping (which is a good sign for winter, though it's still early), also deaths and hospitalizations are nowhere near pre-vaccine numbers. We even had breakthrough cases in homes and care centers for the elderly, the majority seem to be mildly symptomatic or asymptomatic, very few deaths.
- 0-_-0 5y ago
  According to https://ourworldindata.org/ https://ourworldindata.org/ Israel is #4 in COVID cases right now (856.81/M) and #5 in vaccine doses per 100 people (163.74)
  - libertine 5y ago
    Well maybe vaccine doses per 100 people isn't the best benchmark, especially if they are already giving 3rd doses - it's way more important the share of full vaccination of the total population, because the goal is to get the imune system primed. The reality is that Israel only has 63% of their population fully vaccinated, even if they keep giving extra doses, a large slice is still not vaccinated (people under 59 apparently).
    - kuraudo 5y ago
      Highly suspect: I heard that they count anyone without three jabs as "unvaccinated." that might not be israel and it might be two jabs, apologies on unreliability. I'm putting this out here because I hope someone can disprove or verify it.
- belter 5y ago
  Cases in Portugal are staying stable neither growing or diminishing. Looking at the curve for deaths there seems to be no correlation between deaths and the vaccination program. https://expresso.pt/coronavirus/2021-09-10-Covid-19.-O-oitavo-dia-consecutivo-abaixo-dos-2000-casos-o-surto-em-Portugal-em-graficos-e-mapas-5edb91c5 https://expresso.pt/coronavirus/2021-09-10-Covid-19.-O-oitav...

by ddxxdd 5y ago

Last time I checked, the top 3 countries in terms of vaccination rates are also the top 3 countries in terms of number of active covid cases. Israel is #1 in vaccination rates and #1 in daily cases.

martin8412 5y ago

That must have been a while ago, because Israel is nowhere near top in vaccination rate anymore. They had a fast rollout, but are now stuck at around 61%.. Meanwhile, western Europe is around 80-90% vaccinated

maxerickson 5y ago
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=FRA https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=FRA shows more like 60%-70% for the total population (I turned on more countries than France). Are your numbers percent of adults or including people that have recovered from infection or something?
- jvzr 5y ago
  Government numbers in France show 80.2% today ("The figure gives the share of the population over the age of 12 that are fully vaccinated (all required doses") We crossed 60% on July 29, and 70% on August 20
  - maxerickson 5y ago
    Yeah, "over the age of 12", that isn't 80% fully vaccinated, it's 80% of over 12s fully vaccinated. Which is a useful measure of administrative effectiveness when the vaccine is not being given to people under 12, but it isn't 80% of the total population.
0-_-0 5y ago
Europe: 102.58 doses per 100 Israel: 163.74 doses per 100 (#5 in the world) Source: https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?tab=table&zoomToSelection=true&facet=none&pickerSort=desc&pickerMetric=new_deaths_per_million&Metric=Vaccine+doses&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=IND~USA~GBR~CAN~DEU~FRA https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explor...
- isbvhodnvemrwvn 5y ago
  Doses don't mean much if a large portion of the population have taken none.
  - deleted 5y ago
    [deleted]
  - libertine 5y ago
    Not to mention Janssen vaccine is a single dose and it's being widely used in some EU countries, which renders that measurement even more "useless" (in the sense that it doesn't give an accurate picture of the reality of the vaccination programs)

libertine 5y ago

I don't know where you getting that information, last time I checked Israel wasn't even in the top10 countries. Last week Portugal was number 2, and our cases have been dropping (which is a good sign for winter, though it's still early), also deaths and hospitalizations are nowhere near pre-vaccine numbers. We even had breakthrough cases in homes and care centers for the elderly, the majority seem to be mildly symptomatic or asymptomatic, very few deaths.

0-_-0 5y ago
According to https://ourworldindata.org/ https://ourworldindata.org/ Israel is #4 in COVID cases right now (856.81/M) and #5 in vaccine doses per 100 people (163.74)
- libertine 5y ago
  Well maybe vaccine doses per 100 people isn't the best benchmark, especially if they are already giving 3rd doses - it's way more important the share of full vaccination of the total population, because the goal is to get the imune system primed. The reality is that Israel only has 63% of their population fully vaccinated, even if they keep giving extra doses, a large slice is still not vaccinated (people under 59 apparently).
  - kuraudo 5y ago
    Highly suspect: I heard that they count anyone without three jabs as "unvaccinated." that might not be israel and it might be two jabs, apologies on unreliability. I'm putting this out here because I hope someone can disprove or verify it.
belter 5y ago
Cases in Portugal are staying stable neither growing or diminishing. Looking at the curve for deaths there seems to be no correlation between deaths and the vaccination program. https://expresso.pt/coronavirus/2021-09-10-Covid-19.-O-oitavo-dia-consecutivo-abaixo-dos-2000-casos-o-surto-em-Portugal-em-graficos-e-mapas-5edb91c5 https://expresso.pt/coronavirus/2021-09-10-Covid-19.-O-oitav...