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This is absolutely false. As evidence of this, Epic doesn’t need to handle all game sales in order to collect their commission from developers who use Unreal En

This is absolutely false. As evidence of this, Epic doesn’t need to handle all game sales in order to collect their commission from developers who use Unreal Engine. It would require honesty by app developers and Apple to build new infrastructure to account for and receive commission payments from developers, but there’s no impediment. Only inconvenience.

gjsman-1000 5y ago
And it's a contractually obligated requirement - that means Apple can suspend your developer account, remove you from the App Store, and potentially sue you for breach of contract, if they suspect you are fudging the numbers or not paying.
jjcon 5y ago
> Epic doesn’t need to handle all game sales in order to collect their commission from developers who use Unreal Engine. This has nothing to do with honesty. If I link to my website and someone donates, there is no way for me to know they were referred from the app. Furthermore the actual quote being referenced reads, “The Court also notes that in the but-for world where developers could use an alternative processor, Apple would still be contractually entitled to its commission on any purchase made within apps distributed on the App Store” Which seems to be at odds with the parent article. If someone uses an alternative IN APP payment method (which would be traceable) then yes, Apple would be entitled. If they link their website and are taken out of the app, no such agreement exists.
- amaranth 5y ago
  > "Apple is: 'permanently restrained . . . from prohibiting developers from including in their apps . . . calls to action that direct customers to purchasing mechanisms'" > "Even in the absence of IAP, Apple could still charge a commission on developers. It would simply be more difficult for Apple to collect that commission." (page 150) My reading of these two statements is that you could link to your website but you'd be contractually obligated to make it possible to tell that visit came from your app so you could give Apple their cut.
ClumsyPilot 5y ago
"Epic doesn’t need to handle all game sales in order to collect their commission from developers who use Unreal Engine.' If I am a developer using Unreal Engine, I pay for actually using the engine. Apple collects money from music, movie and book sales. There is no chance they will be able to demand that money. If you think Apple will be entitled to get a 30% cut for non-app items you bought, then by extension apple would be entitled to demand a cut from you buying a washing machine or paying your bill. I don't think the intention of this judgement is to enable Apple to become a universal parasite.

gjsman-1000 5y ago

And it's a contractually obligated requirement - that means Apple can suspend your developer account, remove you from the App Store, and potentially sue you for breach of contract, if they suspect you are fudging the numbers or not paying.

jjcon 5y ago

> Epic doesn’t need to handle all game sales in order to collect their commission from developers who use Unreal Engine. This has nothing to do with honesty. If I link to my website and someone donates, there is no way for me to know they were referred from the app. Furthermore the actual quote being referenced reads, “The Court also notes that in the but-for world where developers could use an alternative processor, Apple would still be contractually entitled to its commission on any purchase made within apps distributed on the App Store” Which seems to be at odds with the parent article. If someone uses an alternative IN APP payment method (which would be traceable) then yes, Apple would be entitled. If they link their website and are taken out of the app, no such agreement exists.

amaranth 5y ago
> "Apple is: 'permanently restrained . . . from prohibiting developers from including in their apps . . . calls to action that direct customers to purchasing mechanisms'" > "Even in the absence of IAP, Apple could still charge a commission on developers. It would simply be more difficult for Apple to collect that commission." (page 150) My reading of these two statements is that you could link to your website but you'd be contractually obligated to make it possible to tell that visit came from your app so you could give Apple their cut.

ClumsyPilot 5y ago

"Epic doesn’t need to handle all game sales in order to collect their commission from developers who use Unreal Engine.' If I am a developer using Unreal Engine, I pay for actually using the engine. Apple collects money from music, movie and book sales. There is no chance they will be able to demand that money. If you think Apple will be entitled to get a 30% cut for non-app items you bought, then by extension apple would be entitled to demand a cut from you buying a washing machine or paying your bill. I don't think the intention of this judgement is to enable Apple to become a universal parasite.