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Step 1) fabricate an SMS Step 2) call police Step 3) enjoy Wow so easy to take down your political enemies huh

by calvinmorrison 5y ago

anon9001 5y ago
I think you're joking, but this is actually so true that you might be committing a crime by suggesting it.
- mcherm 5y ago
  > this is actually so true that you might be committing a crime by suggesting it Perhaps where you live. The legal system I live under has strong protections for freedom of speech that ensure that such a statement cannot be criminalized.
  - tommymachine 5y ago
    You must live in Twitterstan.
  - artificialLimbs 5y ago
    This statement is legal in the USA.
xyzzyz 5y ago
In Soviet Russia, government officials would remove someone, and then claim suicide. In America, they first claim suicide (risk), then remove them.
- praptak 5y ago
  Soviet Russia also did use phony psychiatry to get rid of opponents. Political abuse of psychiatry in Soviet Union has its own Wikipedia page.
- squabble 5y ago
  There is a big difference between murdering someone and detaining someone for a day if a trained professional believes there is a high risk of suicide.
  - mlang23 5y ago
    trained professional my ass. I have a disability, and I tell you what: Even the people "specialized" in certain disabilities usually have no idea what the fuck they are talking about. But they get good pay and are being treated like specialists by those which have even less of an idea... Outsiders usually have absolutely no idea whats going on.
  - ipaddr 5y ago
    Believing unaccountable decisions placed in the hands of powerful doctors without recourse results in a professional suicide assessment is not what actually happens. You may be detained for no reason and have no recourse. They may pump drugs into you.
    - quantumBerry 5y ago
      Not only that, you may permanently lose some civil rights and privileges, such as the right to own a firearm or pilot a commercial flight.
    - squabble 5y ago
      Scary. Any ideas of how to fix it?
      - MertsA 5y ago
        Come up with a reasonable objective bar to pass before subjecting someone to confinement and medical treatment against their will. Right now police are all too willing to basically arrest someone off of some nebulous accusation. It should be treated no different than the standard of proof for an arrest and should face the same repercussions if done wrongly, both for police and an accuser. Make it contingent on prompt medical evaluation. The current timeframes for involuntary commitment in certain states can leave people confined on a Friday afternoon and waiting to be evaluated until Monday morning. If it's urgent enough for involuntary confinement it's urgent enough to have a medical professional oncall for prompt evaluation. The medical necessity of all involuntary medical treatment should have to be substantiated in front of a judge, even if the patient is released before statutory deadlines would have required a judge to approve continued involuntary commitment. The medical facility should have to explain their actions e.g. "On Feb 12th at 5:12AM patient started scratching the skin off of their left arm (Exhibit A) which necessitated the administration of 10 mg of Midazolam intramuscularly". Any medication should also be limited to the shortest duration feasible until a court order is issued, no depot injections of Haldol that will last a month. No financial liability for the patient. The state doesn't have to foot the bill for all of it, you could mandate that insurance picks up the tab and leave the state to pay for only the uninsured. It's profoundly unjust to not only deprive someone their bodily autonomy but also saddle them with a mountain of debt with no recourse even if the involuntary commitment turned out to be unjustified. If it came out of municipal budgets maybe police departments would be more diligent about making sure that involuntary commitment was necessary instead of using it like a blunt tool to pawn off a tiresome person onto someone else.
vgel 5y ago
This happened to a friend of mine. "Friend" of theirs who was angry they didn't have a romantic interest in him called the police claiming they were suicidal. Police came, handcuffed them, verbally abused them, and dragged them to a hospital against their will even though they were clearly fine. They were forced to stay there for ~a day and then had no means to get home, thankfully a friend was able to pick them up and drive them home from the hospital. No consequences for the guy, of course.
- tornato7 5y ago
  Something similar happened to a friend of mine and you can find plenty of stories on the internet - the way suicidal people are treated by the police is actually cruel and I can't imagine it helps anyone who is really feeling suicidal. My buddy got arrested, restrained to a hospital bed against his will, was given a cocktail of drugs, and had to stay there multiple days while getting a 'wellness check' every fifteen minutes where a nurse shakes you awake. To top it all off they sent him home with a $60,000 medical bill. Not a great way to treat someone who's going through a hard time. I definitely learned never to call the police unless someone is literally getting ready to jump off a building.
  - AQuantized 5y ago
    Wow, that sounds like a good way to make someone suicidal even if they weren't to begin with.
  - Clubber 5y ago
    >the way suicidal people are treated by the police is actually cruel The way people are treated by the police is actually cruel. If you dug into it you would be ill.
  - chillwaves 5y ago
    > I definitely learned never to call the police unless someone is literally getting ready to jump off a building. This is an important lesson. Do not call the police unless you literally just want them to remove a nuisance and you don't care what happens to the person or how they are dealt with. Even then, police are just a wild card with the potential for life altering outcomes. My brother called the police once because his then girlfriend was acting really crazy/violent after a night out drinking (not the first time) and they almost arrested HIM.
cronix 5y ago
Swatting only has steps 2 and 3 to worry about.
vkou 5y ago
Step 1) plant evidence of crime Step 2) call police Step 3) enjoy Do you propose that we do away with police, telephones, or crime, to solve this problem?

Step 1) fabricate an SMS Step 2) call police Step 3) enjoy Wow so easy to take down your political enemies huh

anon9001 5y ago

I think you're joking, but this is actually so true that you might be committing a crime by suggesting it.

mcherm 5y ago
> this is actually so true that you might be committing a crime by suggesting it Perhaps where you live. The legal system I live under has strong protections for freedom of speech that ensure that such a statement cannot be criminalized.
- tommymachine 5y ago
  You must live in Twitterstan.
- artificialLimbs 5y ago
  This statement is legal in the USA.

xyzzyz 5y ago

In Soviet Russia, government officials would remove someone, and then claim suicide. In America, they first claim suicide (risk), then remove them.

praptak 5y ago
Soviet Russia also did use phony psychiatry to get rid of opponents. Political abuse of psychiatry in Soviet Union has its own Wikipedia page.
squabble 5y ago
There is a big difference between murdering someone and detaining someone for a day if a trained professional believes there is a high risk of suicide.
- mlang23 5y ago
  trained professional my ass. I have a disability, and I tell you what: Even the people "specialized" in certain disabilities usually have no idea what the fuck they are talking about. But they get good pay and are being treated like specialists by those which have even less of an idea... Outsiders usually have absolutely no idea whats going on.
- ipaddr 5y ago
  Believing unaccountable decisions placed in the hands of powerful doctors without recourse results in a professional suicide assessment is not what actually happens. You may be detained for no reason and have no recourse. They may pump drugs into you.
  - quantumBerry 5y ago
    Not only that, you may permanently lose some civil rights and privileges, such as the right to own a firearm or pilot a commercial flight.
  - squabble 5y ago
    Scary. Any ideas of how to fix it?
    - MertsA 5y ago
      Come up with a reasonable objective bar to pass before subjecting someone to confinement and medical treatment against their will. Right now police are all too willing to basically arrest someone off of some nebulous accusation. It should be treated no different than the standard of proof for an arrest and should face the same repercussions if done wrongly, both for police and an accuser. Make it contingent on prompt medical evaluation. The current timeframes for involuntary commitment in certain states can leave people confined on a Friday afternoon and waiting to be evaluated until Monday morning. If it's urgent enough for involuntary confinement it's urgent enough to have a medical professional oncall for prompt evaluation. The medical necessity of all involuntary medical treatment should have to be substantiated in front of a judge, even if the patient is released before statutory deadlines would have required a judge to approve continued involuntary commitment. The medical facility should have to explain their actions e.g. "On Feb 12th at 5:12AM patient started scratching the skin off of their left arm (Exhibit A) which necessitated the administration of 10 mg of Midazolam intramuscularly". Any medication should also be limited to the shortest duration feasible until a court order is issued, no depot injections of Haldol that will last a month. No financial liability for the patient. The state doesn't have to foot the bill for all of it, you could mandate that insurance picks up the tab and leave the state to pay for only the uninsured. It's profoundly unjust to not only deprive someone their bodily autonomy but also saddle them with a mountain of debt with no recourse even if the involuntary commitment turned out to be unjustified. If it came out of municipal budgets maybe police departments would be more diligent about making sure that involuntary commitment was necessary instead of using it like a blunt tool to pawn off a tiresome person onto someone else.

vgel 5y ago

This happened to a friend of mine. "Friend" of theirs who was angry they didn't have a romantic interest in him called the police claiming they were suicidal. Police came, handcuffed them, verbally abused them, and dragged them to a hospital against their will even though they were clearly fine. They were forced to stay there for ~a day and then had no means to get home, thankfully a friend was able to pick them up and drive them home from the hospital. No consequences for the guy, of course.

tornato7 5y ago
Something similar happened to a friend of mine and you can find plenty of stories on the internet - the way suicidal people are treated by the police is actually cruel and I can't imagine it helps anyone who is really feeling suicidal. My buddy got arrested, restrained to a hospital bed against his will, was given a cocktail of drugs, and had to stay there multiple days while getting a 'wellness check' every fifteen minutes where a nurse shakes you awake. To top it all off they sent him home with a $60,000 medical bill. Not a great way to treat someone who's going through a hard time. I definitely learned never to call the police unless someone is literally getting ready to jump off a building.
- AQuantized 5y ago
  Wow, that sounds like a good way to make someone suicidal even if they weren't to begin with.
- Clubber 5y ago
  >the way suicidal people are treated by the police is actually cruel The way people are treated by the police is actually cruel. If you dug into it you would be ill.
- chillwaves 5y ago
  > I definitely learned never to call the police unless someone is literally getting ready to jump off a building. This is an important lesson. Do not call the police unless you literally just want them to remove a nuisance and you don't care what happens to the person or how they are dealt with. Even then, police are just a wild card with the potential for life altering outcomes. My brother called the police once because his then girlfriend was acting really crazy/violent after a night out drinking (not the first time) and they almost arrested HIM.

cronix 5y ago

Swatting only has steps 2 and 3 to worry about.

vkou 5y ago

Step 1) plant evidence of crime Step 2) call police Step 3) enjoy Do you propose that we do away with police, telephones, or crime, to solve this problem?