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Exactly on your link, just ctrl-F for "Netflix": "We are working with the small number of networks with a higher network/ISP density than Cloudflare (e.g., Net
by raxi 5y ago
Exactly on your link, just ctrl-F for "Netflix":
"We are working with the small number of networks with a higher network/ISP density than Cloudflare (e.g., Netflix, Facebook, Google/YouTube) to come up with an EDNS IP Subnet alternative that gets them the information they need for geolocation".
Well, I might be inaccurate in saying "exactly the same protocol as before", but it is clear that what was available to every webmaster via EDNS, now available only to members of a closed club, via good old EDNS or a proprietary alternative. The latter is more likely, not because of privacy-caring, but because they could now charge it as license fee for using private protocol.
- akerl_ 5y agoEDNS is an optional field. Client subnet is an optional part of that optional field. It’s relatively new compared to DNS as a whole, and most “webmasters” don’t make active use of it. The quote you pulled is about Cloudflare’s efforts to build a better standard. They’re talking to the people with the expertise and interest to build that standard. You’ve inferred “proprietary” and “closed club”, and a ton of motive besides, and you’ve copy-pasted that speculation as if it were fact into multiple comment trees.
- raxi 5y ago1. EDNS is needless when you are using your provider DNS. It is needed for public DNS servers. So it is optional, as is needless most of the time. Before launching Cloudflare DNS, the biggest public DNS service was Googles, who developed and implemented EDNS. Then comes Cloudflare and "the people with the expertise and interest" to rethink that. 2. I assume that commercial companies are here to make money, not "a better future" (besides the better future for the shareholders). If they implement something, the first question is how do they make money with it.
- akerl_ 5y agoI’m not going to debate your stance on how you assess someone’s motivations, but it does seem like you shouldn’t attempt to present your speculation as fact.
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- judge2020 5y agoI think they mean they're working on an alternative standard, not anywhere near "we give you an API to match DNS requests to origin city". These talks might have been as simple as "we'll give you [and everyone] geoip information for the datacenters we request from based on IP, and you can load balance off that".
- raxi 5y agoI do not think it has much sense if the standard is the good-old-EDNS or something new, for example supplying city name in a text form instead of hiding last bits of IP as EDNS does. Google's 8.8.8.8 provides client-ip via EDNS to every webmaster. Zeroing at least 8 bits for privacy - it was made with privacy in mind too. The privacy could be tuned by zeroing 10+ instead of 8+ bits, etc. There is nothing wrong with EDNS and privacy, which would require to abandon ENDS with privacy stancas. And Google provides that FOR FREE. To everyone. How can I - as webmaster - get similar info from 1.1.1.1? Not being a Silicon Valley megacorp.
- akerl_ 5y agoAgain, you keep presenting this as something Cloudflare provides to “megacorps” for money. There’s no evidence this is the case, it’s just your speculation. I’m really sorry that you somehow depend heavily on EDNS Client Subnets, a feature that was only standardized 5 years ago. But it’s optional, per the spec, and Cloudflare has published their rationale for not enabling it on their resolvers.
- raxi 5y agoPlease, tell me - not a megacorp webmaster - how can I opt-in to Cloudflare program available to Facebook/Netflix, to get what is available freely as the source IP of UDP packet in the absence of planet-wide public resolvers and what Google gives for free trying to mitigate the inconvenience caused by the planet-wide resolver. Indeed, my texts about possible motivation is speculations, but I do understand why webmasters block CloudFlare DNS. I wonder why there are so few of them.