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Well, you've got a problem, then. You don't get rights just for being born. You only get rights within the context of a society that has agreed to respect tho
by actually_a_dog 5y ago
Well, you've got a problem, then. You don't get rights just for being born. You only get rights within the context of a society that has agreed to respect those rights.
Consider this: if you have rights simply because you are human, then there must be something different about humans that gives them those rights, which chimps and bonobos don't have. What is that?
- slibhb 5y agoYou're proving my point. You don't find the idea of natural rights convincing. That's exactly what I wrote. The problem is that, in your framework, there will always be a good reason to violate people's rights. "If we don't spy on people, the terrorists will blow us up" sounds silly today but it convinced people after 9/11. As did "we have to torture these people to prevent a terrorist attack". I agree with you that this is linked to a distinction between humans and animals. The fact that we no longer find that distinction convincing is linked to the fact that we no longer find natural rights convincing.
- actually_a_dog 5y agoI'm open to being convinced, if you're open to trying.
- oliv__ 5y ago> Consider this: if you have rights simply because you are human, then there must be something different about humans that gives them those rights, which chimps and bonobos don't have. What is that? Uhm consciousness?
- actually_a_dog 5y agoHow do you know chimps and bonobos aren't conscious?