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“Badly” in this case is about as subjective as it gets. For instance in many parts of the world women consider not having to work a privilege.

satyrnein 5y ago
Any data to support this?
- shakow 5y ago
  Talk to them. And to go further, I would argue that most people would consider not working to be a privilege. Even if I'm a man, I'd love to live off my passive earnings.
  - satyrnein 5y ago
    Depends on the context. If one gets seriously injured, can't work, and survives off of disability, that may not feel like a privilege. At least some of the women we're talking about, they're doing all the cooking, cleaning, childcare, etc. They have no financial independence and often few options if they're being mistreated. I don't think it's comparable to passive income at all.
simonh 5y ago
The criteria used were: “This is a composite of such things as unequal treatment of women in family law and property rights, early marriage for girls, patrilocal marriage, polygamy, bride price, son preference, violence against women and social attitudes towards it (for example, is rape seen as a property crime against men?).” That doesn’t seem particularly subjective. These are all clearly instances of unequal treatment based on gender. Finally there is a world of difference between not having to work and being prohibited from working, but in any case not having a paid job isn’t the same as not working. There’s plenty of domestic work to be done, and there are studies into relative leisure time by gender. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/13668803.2018.1528968 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/13668803.2018.1... “ In countries with conservative gender norms, low levels of childcare coverage, limited paternity leave and lower political power for women, women’s leisure quality is lower than men’s. In more egalitarian countries, the gender gap in leisure quality is lower and in some cases, reversed.”
mumblemumble 5y ago
In all parts of the world, you can find at least some people who consider it a privilege that they don't have a job outside the home. But, even in places where a majority feel that way, that in no way justifies making it obligatory for everyone, even those who want something else for themselves.

satyrnein 5y ago

Any data to support this?

shakow 5y ago
Talk to them. And to go further, I would argue that most people would consider not working to be a privilege. Even if I'm a man, I'd love to live off my passive earnings.
- satyrnein 5y ago
  Depends on the context. If one gets seriously injured, can't work, and survives off of disability, that may not feel like a privilege. At least some of the women we're talking about, they're doing all the cooking, cleaning, childcare, etc. They have no financial independence and often few options if they're being mistreated. I don't think it's comparable to passive income at all.

simonh 5y ago

The criteria used were: “This is a composite of such things as unequal treatment of women in family law and property rights, early marriage for girls, patrilocal marriage, polygamy, bride price, son preference, violence against women and social attitudes towards it (for example, is rape seen as a property crime against men?).” That doesn’t seem particularly subjective. These are all clearly instances of unequal treatment based on gender. Finally there is a world of difference between not having to work and being prohibited from working, but in any case not having a paid job isn’t the same as not working. There’s plenty of domestic work to be done, and there are studies into relative leisure time by gender. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/13668803.2018.1528968 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/13668803.2018.1... “ In countries with conservative gender norms, low levels of childcare coverage, limited paternity leave and lower political power for women, women’s leisure quality is lower than men’s. In more egalitarian countries, the gender gap in leisure quality is lower and in some cases, reversed.”

mumblemumble 5y ago

In all parts of the world, you can find at least some people who consider it a privilege that they don't have a job outside the home. But, even in places where a majority feel that way, that in no way justifies making it obligatory for everyone, even those who want something else for themselves.