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Catherine the Great, Queen Victoria, Margaret Thatcher, Angela Merkel. The last one caused the CDU to drop from 40% to 20% in 6 years and is partly responsible

by gmpart 5y ago

Catherine the Great, Queen Victoria, Margaret Thatcher, Angela Merkel. The last one caused the CDU to drop from 40% to 20% in 6 years and is partly responsible for Brexit. Thatcher has mixed reviews as well.

Cyph0n 5y ago
> The last one caused the CDU to drop from 40% to 20% in 6 years and is partly responsible for Brexit. Excellent example of cherry-picking btw.
pizza 5y ago
Merkel responsible for Brexit?
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ben_w 5y ago
Merkel has been chancellor for 16 years, and has maintained a longer track record for popularity than any US or UK leader I can remember. She also announced in October 2018 that she wasn’t going to seek a fifth term as Chancellor in the 2021 elections, after which the CDU opinion polls moved very little for 18 months before first going up to 40% for about a year and then going down to 20% now. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2021_German_federal_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2021_G...
bellyfullofbac 5y ago
Merkel is horrible for a lot of things, but your example is a terrible one... She's a conservative, and the conservative economic doctrine is austerity for the masses, but handouts for businesses. She and her economic minister presided over the Euro crisis terribly, causing hardships in Spain, Italy, Greece. People commited suicide because of it! Since Germany was the biggest economy in Europe of course what Berlin said was what Brussels would parrot. And I'm glad she said Syrians were welcome, but after many years of telling Germans and other Europeans that they needed to tighten their belts, suddenly she said "we can do it!". It's freaking understandable that the people who've been indoctrinated that without the belt-tightening there'll be nothing left for their pensions are pissed off at the idea that several hundred thousand refugees would be fed, clothed, housed, etc, with their tax money. Again I'm glad she welcomed the refugees, but after spreading austerity doctrine all over Europe, the populist rightwing reaction is understandable. The rightwing party AfD is now a significant fraction in German state and federal parliaments, if you want to be cruel you can say Merkel did a better job of growing Nazism than a certain previuos German leader who had Europe-conquering ambitions..
- simonh 5y ago
  > causing hardships in Spain, Italy, Greece. FFS. It’s not as if Germany forced those countries to utterly bork their finances. Suppose Germany had said no, were not lending you money, it belongs to our citizens. What would those countries have done, who else would have helped them? The fact is they got better terms from Germany than anywhere else, and what thanks do the Germans get? So glad us Brits stayed out of all of that.
  - bellyfullofbac 5y ago
    https://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/29/opinion/29krugman.html https://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/29/opinion/29krugman.html , but a register-wall will probably prevent you from learning today (that and your cocksuredness about being sure how things really work).

by gmpart 5y ago

Cyph0n 5y ago

> The last one caused the CDU to drop from 40% to 20% in 6 years and is partly responsible for Brexit. Excellent example of cherry-picking btw.

pizza 5y ago

Merkel responsible for Brexit?

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ben_w 5y ago

Merkel has been chancellor for 16 years, and has maintained a longer track record for popularity than any US or UK leader I can remember. She also announced in October 2018 that she wasn’t going to seek a fifth term as Chancellor in the 2021 elections, after which the CDU opinion polls moved very little for 18 months before first going up to 40% for about a year and then going down to 20% now. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2021_German_federal_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2021_G...

bellyfullofbac 5y ago

Merkel is horrible for a lot of things, but your example is a terrible one... She's a conservative, and the conservative economic doctrine is austerity for the masses, but handouts for businesses. She and her economic minister presided over the Euro crisis terribly, causing hardships in Spain, Italy, Greece. People commited suicide because of it! Since Germany was the biggest economy in Europe of course what Berlin said was what Brussels would parrot. And I'm glad she said Syrians were welcome, but after many years of telling Germans and other Europeans that they needed to tighten their belts, suddenly she said "we can do it!". It's freaking understandable that the people who've been indoctrinated that without the belt-tightening there'll be nothing left for their pensions are pissed off at the idea that several hundred thousand refugees would be fed, clothed, housed, etc, with their tax money. Again I'm glad she welcomed the refugees, but after spreading austerity doctrine all over Europe, the populist rightwing reaction is understandable. The rightwing party AfD is now a significant fraction in German state and federal parliaments, if you want to be cruel you can say Merkel did a better job of growing Nazism than a certain previuos German leader who had Europe-conquering ambitions..

simonh 5y ago
> causing hardships in Spain, Italy, Greece. FFS. It’s not as if Germany forced those countries to utterly bork their finances. Suppose Germany had said no, were not lending you money, it belongs to our citizens. What would those countries have done, who else would have helped them? The fact is they got better terms from Germany than anywhere else, and what thanks do the Germans get? So glad us Brits stayed out of all of that.
- bellyfullofbac 5y ago
  https://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/29/opinion/29krugman.html https://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/29/opinion/29krugman.html , but a register-wall will probably prevent you from learning today (that and your cocksuredness about being sure how things really work).