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>And later (after he confessed) the US was on full war with the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden not with them anymore. I'm referring to that, not to his preinasvio

by yyyk 5y ago

>And later (after he confessed) the US was on full war with the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden not with them anymore. I'm referring to that, not to his preinasvion evasion. The Taliban didn't even cut relations with him or his associates after he confessed, and they were not without influence in AfPak. Surely the Taliban should have been very upset with their 'guests' for getting them involved in Al-Qaeda's war, right? Unless the Taliban knew from the start... Obviously they did, since this wasn't Al-Qaeda's first attack against America. As I wrote, there's little reason to give any credence to their not knowing, and even if we did, there were plenty of other things they should have given up Bin Laden for.

hutzlibu 5y ago
"Surely the Taliban should have been very upset with their 'guests' for getting them involved in Al-Qaeda's war, right? " I am pretty sure, they were upset and maybe there were actual heads rolling behind the scenes. But on the outside, they had the US as common enemy. An enemy that hit them both as hard as he could, without making any difference. So of course at that time, talking about extradiction was over. But the Taliban while at power did made the civic offer to extradict Bin Laden, if presented with evidence. So of course, it is not sure, if they actually would have done it. Maybe they would have ended in a civic war by themself over it. But we never knew, because the US choose to go the brutal way. No evidence. No extradiction. Just war. Now 20 years later with the Taliban back in power and stronger than ever, I can just say, awesome outcome with this approach.
- yyyk 5y ago
  >I am pretty sure, they were upset and maybe there were actual heads rolling behind the scenes. No evidence of it, and I find this entire debate odd. Again, the Taliban hosted a terrorist group which had publicly declared war against America, and launched known attacks - all this well known before 9-11. What did anyone expect this public antagonist group to do? Play volleyball? If someone hosted a group called "Death to X" and the group predictably attacked X, that someone shouldn't get to claim innocence. Especially not after the nth attack! >Now 20 years later with the Taliban back in power and stronger than ever A completely predictable result of the ideological way the retreat was done.
- mcguire 5y ago
  The assassination of Ahmad Shah Massoud. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_Shah_Massoud#Assassination https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_Shah_Massoud#Assassinati...
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by yyyk 5y ago

hutzlibu 5y ago

"Surely the Taliban should have been very upset with their 'guests' for getting them involved in Al-Qaeda's war, right? " I am pretty sure, they were upset and maybe there were actual heads rolling behind the scenes. But on the outside, they had the US as common enemy. An enemy that hit them both as hard as he could, without making any difference. So of course at that time, talking about extradiction was over. But the Taliban while at power did made the civic offer to extradict Bin Laden, if presented with evidence. So of course, it is not sure, if they actually would have done it. Maybe they would have ended in a civic war by themself over it. But we never knew, because the US choose to go the brutal way. No evidence. No extradiction. Just war. Now 20 years later with the Taliban back in power and stronger than ever, I can just say, awesome outcome with this approach.

yyyk 5y ago
>I am pretty sure, they were upset and maybe there were actual heads rolling behind the scenes. No evidence of it, and I find this entire debate odd. Again, the Taliban hosted a terrorist group which had publicly declared war against America, and launched known attacks - all this well known before 9-11. What did anyone expect this public antagonist group to do? Play volleyball? If someone hosted a group called "Death to X" and the group predictably attacked X, that someone shouldn't get to claim innocence. Especially not after the nth attack! >Now 20 years later with the Taliban back in power and stronger than ever A completely predictable result of the ideological way the retreat was done.
mcguire 5y ago
The assassination of Ahmad Shah Massoud. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_Shah_Massoud#Assassination https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_Shah_Massoud#Assassinati...

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