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The law is unconstitutional and moronic for the reasons the article outlines. That's not why it got passed. It's not always about race. It's so hard for HN to
by crazy_horse 5y ago
The law is unconstitutional and moronic for the reasons the article outlines.
That's not why it got passed. It's not always about race. It's so hard for HN to get that but here a lot of the most serious proponents of pro-life positions are conservatives....minorities tend to be socially conservative.
It's a moral position. I always see people on HN stake out positions as though the world existed as from their perspective. There are different views on this.
- davesque 5y agoI've at times felt sympathetic to this argument (that the whole debate on abortion boils down to an appeal to morality). However, what ended up really clarifying things for me was hearing accounts of the lengths to which women used to go to abort pregnancies before abortion was legal (and therefore safe). It's simply a fact that women often do not want to carry pregnancies to term. That will not change if we outlaw abortion. You can moralize all day long but it doesn't matter. We can either have safe abortion or we can have abortion by douching with Lysol.
- crazy_horse 5y agoI'm not attempting to moralize. What I am trying to say is it didn't pass here because it was trying to target any specific group, it passed here because people tend to be conservative and for them the moral position is to be against abortion.
- zrail 5y agoLet's be real. It passed because the GOP has an unbreakable majority in the Texas Legislature and the Texas and national GOP wanted another test case to try to break Roe v Wade while there's a conservative majority in the Supreme Court.
- crazy_horse 5y agoIt's that and the GOP sees that very conservative government action is popular and you've got a bunch of people trying to angle for 2024. But I promise you, the reason why that is possible is because the conservative morality is often pragmatic when it comes to money, however, there's enough pro-life belief across the spectrum that the average voter isn't that upset, regardless of gender, race, income, etc. These are the demographics.
- dragonwriter 5y agoIf they just wanted a Roe test case they would have done a conventional ban. They didn't, they crafted the law to maximize the chilling effect on abortion provision even if it was later held unconstitutional by gaming the rules on preemptive review to avoid getting enjoined before being applied, so that the potential litigation burden would deter abortion and drive providers out of business before a court would block enforcement.
- zrail 5y agoThat's a very good point.
- jelliclesfarm 5y agoThis simply isn’t true. Women have always known how to terminate unwanted pregnancies safely. But that knowledge was lost when we advertised our sexual freedom in the name of feminism. Birth rate has grown exponentially after the pill and various methods of medical termination. Women’s reproductive rights have become a cash cow and a political third rail. Not to mention religion. Here is the best kept secret: we were always free. The secret was that women never let the others know about it. Now everything is ruined with ..what is it now?…fourth wave of feminism?
- zrail 5y agoA) I didn't say anything about race. "Poor" is not a race. B) The stats speak for themselves wrt who needs these procedures, regardless of your view.
- jdavis703 5y agoYour morality should have no impact on my morality, unless my actions directly effect you. For example I’m vegetarian for various reasons, but I don’t feel the need to prevent you and society from eating meat if you want.
- readflaggedcomm 5y agoUnconstitutional how?
- crazy_horse 5y agoIt's the kind of thing that if used as precedent going forward turns into a mine field. It breaks federalism. It's something law the fugitive slave laws of the 1850s.
- readflaggedcomm 5y agoProtecting life breaks fugitive slave law? What? Which part of the Constitution is involved here?
- zrail 5y agoIt's more that the structure of the law is very similar to the fugitive slave laws, which were ruled unconstitutional.
- readflaggedcomm 5y agoOkay, I see now that Prigg v PA ruled that freeing slaves is tantamount to murder.