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And yet you need more sane voters to vote in a better governor and state reps. It seems like the opposite approach would be strategically better: get more educa

And yet you need more sane voters to vote in a better governor and state reps. It seems like the opposite approach would be strategically better: get more educated people to move into the state and you'll have more educated voters which would lead to positive change.

toomuchtodo 5y ago
It's tricky. Could Salesforce donate to organizations that are patching where Texas is failing (such that Bumble and Match's CEO are doing [1]) instead of offering relos out of Texas? Absolutely. Does that make it any better for those who are subjugated by extremist Texas legislative policy? It lessens the pain but the pain is still there, but to your point, the policies won't change until a critical mass of voters vote in less extremist politicians. This will happen at some point [2] [3] [4] as conservative voters age out and younger voters and immigrants (regardless of origin) become eligible to vote, but there is arguably a lot of value in accelerating the progress towards reducing the suffering of the disenfranchised. Money is speech, right? [1] https://www.npr.org/2021/09/03/1033980404/texas-abortion-ban-bumble-match-funds https://www.npr.org/2021/09/03/1033980404/texas-abortion-ban... [2] https://www.texastribune.org/2020/11/11/texas-democrats-republicans-suburb/ https://www.texastribune.org/2020/11/11/texas-democrats-repu... [3] https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2021/08/12/north-texas-population-boom-continues-hispanics-outnumber-whites-in-dallas-census-data-show/ https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2021/08/12/north-te... [4] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jul/15/texas-republicans-veer-right-despite-demographic-shifts https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jul/15/texas-republ...
aynyc 5y ago
It makes no difference when jerrymandering is in full swing.
- Retric 5y ago
  Gerrymandering still requires significant popular support. In a two party system it can drop things to at minimum 25% vs 50% support in theory, but in practice it’s hard to maintain below 40%.
  - kristopolous 5y ago
    Don't worry, that's where voting suppression tactics under the guises of "security and fraud prevention" come in. This is how apartheid systems perpetuate while still ostensibly offering supposed universal suffrage
  - aynyc 5y ago
    Jerrymandering has significant popular support, it’s just that it’s one-sided. In a two-party system, it’s incredibly easy to maintain that support. Just look at voter suppression, it’s as one-sided as possible, yet gaining a lot of ground in a lot of states.
- gremloni 5y ago
  That’s just defeatist nonsense. Texas has turned ridiculously blue in under a decade. Almost feels like your defeatism has an agenda.
  - aynyc 5y ago
    Blue? There is nothing blue about Texas’s recent policy. Austin and Houston got bluer, everywhere else got redder.
    - gremloni 5y ago
      I wouldn’t call a 3.5% win, in Texas of all places, a tendency towards trending blue. You seem to be ignoring where most of the population in Texas is based.
gremloni 5y ago
Your perspective makes total sense. Don’t mind the downvotes.
b7a9a9a 5y ago
Why wouldn't you just mobilize the California National Guard and occupy Texas?
- analog31 5y ago
  If recent news is any indication, I think we've learned the hard way that you can't export democracy by force

toomuchtodo 5y ago

It's tricky. Could Salesforce donate to organizations that are patching where Texas is failing (such that Bumble and Match's CEO are doing [1]) instead of offering relos out of Texas? Absolutely. Does that make it any better for those who are subjugated by extremist Texas legislative policy? It lessens the pain but the pain is still there, but to your point, the policies won't change until a critical mass of voters vote in less extremist politicians. This will happen at some point [2] [3] [4] as conservative voters age out and younger voters and immigrants (regardless of origin) become eligible to vote, but there is arguably a lot of value in accelerating the progress towards reducing the suffering of the disenfranchised. Money is speech, right? [1] https://www.npr.org/2021/09/03/1033980404/texas-abortion-ban-bumble-match-funds https://www.npr.org/2021/09/03/1033980404/texas-abortion-ban... [2] https://www.texastribune.org/2020/11/11/texas-democrats-republicans-suburb/ https://www.texastribune.org/2020/11/11/texas-democrats-repu... [3] https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2021/08/12/north-texas-population-boom-continues-hispanics-outnumber-whites-in-dallas-census-data-show/ https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2021/08/12/north-te... [4] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jul/15/texas-republicans-veer-right-despite-demographic-shifts https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jul/15/texas-republ...

aynyc 5y ago

It makes no difference when jerrymandering is in full swing.

Retric 5y ago
Gerrymandering still requires significant popular support. In a two party system it can drop things to at minimum 25% vs 50% support in theory, but in practice it’s hard to maintain below 40%.
- kristopolous 5y ago
  Don't worry, that's where voting suppression tactics under the guises of "security and fraud prevention" come in. This is how apartheid systems perpetuate while still ostensibly offering supposed universal suffrage
- aynyc 5y ago
  Jerrymandering has significant popular support, it’s just that it’s one-sided. In a two-party system, it’s incredibly easy to maintain that support. Just look at voter suppression, it’s as one-sided as possible, yet gaining a lot of ground in a lot of states.
gremloni 5y ago
That’s just defeatist nonsense. Texas has turned ridiculously blue in under a decade. Almost feels like your defeatism has an agenda.
- aynyc 5y ago
  Blue? There is nothing blue about Texas’s recent policy. Austin and Houston got bluer, everywhere else got redder.
  - gremloni 5y ago
    I wouldn’t call a 3.5% win, in Texas of all places, a tendency towards trending blue. You seem to be ignoring where most of the population in Texas is based.

gremloni 5y ago

Your perspective makes total sense. Don’t mind the downvotes.

b7a9a9a 5y ago

Why wouldn't you just mobilize the California National Guard and occupy Texas?

analog31 5y ago
If recent news is any indication, I think we've learned the hard way that you can't export democracy by force