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Societies for millennia have had intuition about what men and women are, and have always defined marriage to reflect that. If we're suddenly enlightened becaus
by mbg721 5y ago
Societies for millennia have had intuition about what men and women are, and have always defined marriage to reflect that. If we're suddenly enlightened because we've unshackled reproduction from sex and anyone can have a married relationship with anyone else, that is new, that's not some ancient natural right.
- krapp 5y agoSex has been unshackled from reproduction for far, far longer than marriage has even been a concept, and in many ancient cultures same sex relationships were perfectly normal[0]. The axis of "heterosexuality" and "homosexuality" itself is no older than the 20th century, and even the concept of monogamy is relatively new as far as Abrahamic religious tradition goes. [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_same-sex_unions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_same-sex_unions
- mbg721 5y agoNon-conventional sex isn't new, but making sure marriage is defined in such a way to include it is new, or at least wasn't universal.
- GekkePrutser 5y agoOne thing that surprises me about the discussion of non-hetero marriage is how often it's about the sex. Sure, sex is an integral part of marriage but it's not the most important one, by far. It's much more about love and sharing life IMO. I don't understand why what happens in a private bedroom between consenting adults is such a problem.
- kergonath 5y agoHaving sex is irrelevant. Marriage is about social status and taxation as much as religion.
- kergonath 5y agoSeveral rights are now considered universal and weren’t not that long ago. We are not discussing gay marriage in 1682. Besides, marriage is now entirely decoupled from making babies. Some people might wish it weren’t the case, but it is.