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Censorship is the sloppiest possible solution to the epistemological crisis. I thought we figured this out during the Enlightenment.

whatshisface 5y ago
New people are being born every day who weren't around for the steps forward made in the past. If only there was an institution that could step up to the task of teaching them. Instead there are institutions for getting them to buy toys and making them do algebra drills.
- rgrieselhuber 5y ago
  It's a really hard problem to solve. History has shown time and again how easy it is to coopt institutions as well.
titzer 5y ago
Censorship, meet Filter Bubble. Filter Bubble, Censorship. And this little tike you've got with you, what's his name? Engagement Metric? Oh, how cute. Nice to meet you. You look innocent. I'm guessing you couldn't do any major societal damage at all. You're certainly not a little problem child.
- Noumenon72 5y ago
  Filter bubble is not a real problem: https://twitter.com/degenrolf/status/1261164727486615559?lang=en https://twitter.com/degenrolf/status/1261164727486615559?lan... https://twitter.com/degenrolf/status/1067780924014772224 https://twitter.com/degenrolf/status/1067780924014772224 Whereas censorship is lindy among things that have bad effects on society. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindy_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindy_effect So give the most caution against the proven bad thing and not the one you're in a trendy moral panic about.
  - titzer 5y ago
    So Rolf Degen argues that filter bubbles aren't a problem, and if you think they are, then it's because you're a "political junkie" trapped in one. That's some pretty twisted logic mixed with a nice helping of poisoning the well. I guess political junkies would never do anything crazy like assault the capital building to prevent certification of an election result. Yep, nothing to see here. I'm going to adopt this style of argument from now on. "Oh, you think that X is a big problem? Well, it isn't, because you have problem X, and only think that way because of it! It's your cognitive distortions talking! Zing!"
    - inkblotuniverse 5y ago
      A couple of boomers went on an unguided tour, unarmed. I didn't know insurrectionists tended to leave their guns at home
      - ribosometronome 5y ago
        Almost every photo I've seen of the event has not been "a couple of" anyone nor largely "boomers". On a similar note, I somehow doubt if people broke through the doors to enter your home, assaulted people trying to protect it, yelled about how they want you dead, and then took some of your stuff you'd be calling it an "unguided tour".
chmod600 5y ago
The question is: do we want to learn the lessons of history the easy way, or the hard way?

whatshisface 5y ago

New people are being born every day who weren't around for the steps forward made in the past. If only there was an institution that could step up to the task of teaching them. Instead there are institutions for getting them to buy toys and making them do algebra drills.

rgrieselhuber 5y ago
It's a really hard problem to solve. History has shown time and again how easy it is to coopt institutions as well.

titzer 5y ago

Censorship, meet Filter Bubble. Filter Bubble, Censorship. And this little tike you've got with you, what's his name? Engagement Metric? Oh, how cute. Nice to meet you. You look innocent. I'm guessing you couldn't do any major societal damage at all. You're certainly not a little problem child.

Noumenon72 5y ago
Filter bubble is not a real problem: https://twitter.com/degenrolf/status/1261164727486615559?lang=en https://twitter.com/degenrolf/status/1261164727486615559?lan... https://twitter.com/degenrolf/status/1067780924014772224 https://twitter.com/degenrolf/status/1067780924014772224 Whereas censorship is lindy among things that have bad effects on society. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindy_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindy_effect So give the most caution against the proven bad thing and not the one you're in a trendy moral panic about.
- titzer 5y ago
  So Rolf Degen argues that filter bubbles aren't a problem, and if you think they are, then it's because you're a "political junkie" trapped in one. That's some pretty twisted logic mixed with a nice helping of poisoning the well. I guess political junkies would never do anything crazy like assault the capital building to prevent certification of an election result. Yep, nothing to see here. I'm going to adopt this style of argument from now on. "Oh, you think that X is a big problem? Well, it isn't, because you have problem X, and only think that way because of it! It's your cognitive distortions talking! Zing!"
  - inkblotuniverse 5y ago
    A couple of boomers went on an unguided tour, unarmed. I didn't know insurrectionists tended to leave their guns at home
    - ribosometronome 5y ago
      Almost every photo I've seen of the event has not been "a couple of" anyone nor largely "boomers". On a similar note, I somehow doubt if people broke through the doors to enter your home, assaulted people trying to protect it, yelled about how they want you dead, and then took some of your stuff you'd be calling it an "unguided tour".

chmod600 5y ago

The question is: do we want to learn the lessons of history the easy way, or the hard way?